Killertomato wrote:Fade2Gray wrote:You say "not really" and yet the 7.62 is mentioned in the source you provided as much better against types of surfaces common in urban environments, which is considered to be the focus of wars coming. Also not mentioned is how 7.62, like 50 cal, mulches up cover a lot faster than 5.56. This isn't about just punching through cover, actually breaking it down is critical in an extended firefight, ESPECIALLY in urban environments. You are trying to cherry pick again. 5.56 simply doesn't carve up a wall or car like 7.62 does, where as 7.62 will destroy cover faster.
Fade, you need a lot of ammo to mulch cover. Carrying 300 rounds of 7.62 probably wouldn't be too much of a problem for you vs. carrying 300 rounds of 5.56, but you're not normal. You're 6'5" and presumably not a string bean, so the literal doubling of weight for the same amount of ammo wouldn't be much of a problem for you. It would (assuming combat loads don't go down somehow) be a pretty big problem for most of the army, which is closer to my size. People already come out disabled because of knee problems they get from just rucking around.
The recoil's also less of a problem for you than it is for most people, because you're a lot bigger and heavier in the arms than they are, unless you're completely out of proportion. 5.56 has tiny recoil in an AR platform, 7.62 doesn't. It's just harder to hit things with.
Problem is both rounds are shit 7.62 has a worse arc than 5.56, FMJ doesn't wound that well with a tendency to punch right through if something important isn't hit.( incidentally when the SAS used the m16 in northern Ireland for the first time there was a lot of concern because the little fragmenting bullet was more lethal! the army sold it on the fact it was more accurate and less likely to over penetrate than 7.62 note this was early 5.56 ammunition not ss109 derived rounds.
5.56 lacks range, fmj rounds don't penetrate very well or wound well, the bullet is designed for a 20inch barrel which is great for the l85 but m4a1s and other carbines cannot fully harness its potential (lot less complaints on lethality from the British forces though the l129 was adopted to counter SVDs and PKMs out to a thousand yards l86 can reliably hit out there but again its the limit of 5.56 performance were it will be badly affected by environmental conditions. (Was reading a guy's bit on the l86 on in Afghanistan guy loved it watching it put rounds though a door at 1000m so Taliban couldn't escape a gpmg then riddled the house with a few belts! Was on army rumour service)
Both rounds need replacement but is anything good enough to warrant getting rid of a lot of hardware?