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Loadout Errors

Postby Xeno426 » Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:48

You all know the drill by now. :lol:
"Loadout" entries are mistakes in the weapon load in terms of realism (usually weapon placement).
"Suggestion" entries are suggested loadouts to make aircraft useful or less redundant.

I'll be updating this periodically.


Soviet Union
Spoiler : In Soviet Russia... :
Il-102
Loadout: 14 bombs is a speculative loadout, as it closely approaches the maximum take-off weight. The bomb bays could only hold up to 250kg bombs. The cannon was the twin-barreled 9A-4071K, and it had 500 rounds. The tail gun only had 60 rounds.
Suggestion: Balance-wise, should probably carry FAB-250s. This would allow the cost to be dropped to more reasonable levels and free the Su-24M to carry some big, heavy bombs.
ECM: It's unlikely the aircraft would have featured less countermeasure systems than the Su-25, and it has the advantage of a rear gunner to look out for MANPADS, plus it's a CatB aircraft. ECM should be better than nothing. Fixed in v37.
Misc: In testing, the Il-102 was found to have a minimum turn radius of 400 meters. Turn radius reduced as a stealth buff in a pre-v96 version.

MiG-21
Suggestion: If the MiG-25 and MiG-27 suggestions below are followed, this family of aircraft become rather obsolete in the USSR deck, not to mention that by 1980 these two models in particular weren't being used. At least one could be given to Poland so that Poland's MiG-23BN can be turned into a MiG-23MF.

MiG-23MLD
Loadout: Six R-73s could not be carried. Two missiles should be removed. Fixed in v37.

MiG-25BM
Loadout: Kh-58U has the wrong image (Kh-31) and appears to use the Kh-31 missile stand-in. The aircraft commonly carried four Kh-58 missiles and no self-defense AAMs. Fixed in v37. The Kh-58 missiles should be one per pylon.
Misc: Time over target shouldn't be different from the other MiG-25 aircraft.

MiG-25RBT
Suggestion: Completely redundant aircraft now that it's in CatC with the better MiG-25PD. Loadout should be changed to something more useful. One option is to rename it "MiG-25RBT" and arm it with some kind of bomb, like four or six RBK-500s. Fixed in v92.
Misc: The MiG-25RBT regularly carried a centerline fuel tank. The T.O.T. should be greater than that of the MiG-25PD; in fact, swapping T.O.T. values would be good.

MiG-25PD
Loadout: The R-40 missile seems to have lost its HE value from ALB. Needs a bump back up to either 7 or 8 HE. The R-40T needs its range bumped up again. Fixed in v95.
ECM: The MiG-25PD offered no improvement in defensive countermeasure capability over the MiG-25P.

MiG-27
Loadout: Could carry two more missiles on the fuselage.

MiG-27M
Loadout: Superfluous now that it's in the same category as the MiG-27, plus the Kh-25ML didn't enter service until 1981, which would put this into competition with the Su-25. Could be re-rolled as a rocket attack aircraft. Give it a pair of UB-32 or B-8M1 rocket pods would go well with its cannon.

MiG-27K
Loadout: Four Kh-29 missiles could not be carried, and certainly not in tandem. Fixed in v37. The Kh-29D is a late 90's missile.

MiG-29S
Suggestion: A curious alternative that could prove useful would be to replace the four RBK-500 bombs with FAB-500 bombs. Fixed in v259.

Su-24
ECM: The Su-24 featured a built-in jammer. Surely that warrants a better rating than the Su-25. Fixed in v37.
Misc: Time over target should not be significantly worse than the Su-24M.

Su-24M
Suggestion: If the above Il-102 is taken, swapping loadout for a pair of FAB-1500 would be a nice change and make it unique.
Misc: Current bomb pattern for the FAB-250's needs to be tightened, basically back to the setting it was in ALB.

Su-25
Suggestion: Competes with the MiG-27 family for the same job in the same Cat. Could be improved by swapping its loadout with the CSSR Su-25. Tentatively struck out with change in v37,though I still maintain my idea would be better since the current change takes the wind out of the sails of my A-10 suggestion.

Su-25T
Loadout: The two R-73's should be moved one pylon inwards.
ECM: With over 100 chaff and flare, MPS-410 pods (Gardeniya system) and an IR-ECM built-in, this aircraft should have better than a medium rating.
Misc: During the Afghanistan war, around 1988, extra armor was added to the rear of all Su-25's to improve survivability against MANPADS. This lead to a drop of aircraft lost to MANPAD fire to zero. An increase on the Su-25T's rear armour to 2 would be warranted. Fixed in v37. +1 rear armor is not woth +20 point cost.

Su-27S
Loadout: When equipped with Sorbtiya jammer pods on the wingtips, as the ECM would suggest, R-73 missiles can't be placed there. I would suggest removing two of those missiles (this would further differentiate it from the Su-27SK).

Su-27M
Loadout: Loadout should be swapped with the Su-57PU. The Su-27PU was designed to be primarily an air-superiority aircraft with limited ground attack capability (that came later in export models). Fixed in v37. R-77's cannot be carried on the wingtips, nor should the ECM be as high as it is if the wingtip are occupied (they need to be free to use the Sorbtsiya jammer pods). Kh-29 missiles should be moved to the fuselage and inboard pylon locations.
Suggestion: This many missiles is rather impractical. Fixed in v48. Changing them to something different or unique would be helpful, like a single pair or Kh-59 missiles.
Misc: The model is missing the canards typical for the design, along with the extra two pylons (found on the Su-27PU).

Su-27PU
Loadout: The innermost pylons (pylons 4 and 9) did not exist on the original aircraft, and did not appear until later export models. Two R-77s should be removed, two R-77s should be placed on the two centerline pylons, and the R-73 missiles should all move towards the center by one pylon (free up the wingtips). Essentially, it should have the Su-27S loadout with the R-27R replaced by R-77.

Yak-38
Loadout: ZAB-500 could only be carried on the outboard pylons. On a rolling take-off, one possible loadout was 2xZAB-500 on the outboard pylons and 2xFAB-250 on the inboard pylons.

Yak-38M
Loadout: Same problem as the Yak-38. The FAB-500 could only be carried on the outboard pylons, though FAB-250s could be carried on the inboard pylons.
Suggestion: Changing the loadout to a pair of B-8M rocket pods (with 40 rockets) to give greater variety to the Soviet Marine decks.

Yak-141
Suggestion: If the MiG-29S is doing "cheap-end" air defense duty, the USSR Marine deck could certainly use some PGM capability. A pair (or two pairs) of Kh-25ML would be a good option. Doubly important now that the Su-27M has PGMs instead of the Su-27PU, which removes PGM capability from USSR Marine decks.

MiG-29K
Loadout: Carries the exact same missile (Kh-31A) as the Ka-27PL-P, yet the Ka-27's missile is more accurate, does more damage, has a longer range, has a different model Fixed in v37 and a different icon.
Suggestion: If the Su-27K is to be left as an anti-shipping aircraft, this one could be made into the fighter for USSR Marines decks. Changing loadout to 4xR-77 and 4xR-73 would be a good option.
Misc: The skin is clearly not of the USSR Navy.

Su-27K
Loadout: R-77 could not be carried on the Su-27K or even the modern Su-33. There's no point in having two CatA USSR aircraft doing anti-ship duty. Since the Su-27K was meant for fleet defence, a loadout of 4xR-27EM and 6xR-73 would be practical, with the wingtip pylons empty for the jammer pods.
Misc: Model is missing the iconic canards of the Su-27K, and the extra two pylons (which are found on the Su-27PU) are missing. The skin is also clearly not of the USSR Navy.

Ka-50
Loadout: Igla missiles were not carried on individual pylons like this, they'd be carried in twin pods. They should be named "Igla-V". The Vikhr would be less accurate on the move than the Ataka-V, so their stabilizer values should be swapped. The cannon should also be looked at; it doesn't make sense for the moveable 2A42 to have less stabilizers than the fixed GSh-30K on the Mi-24P

Mi-24VP
Loadout: Cannon should be the GSh-23L with 450 rounds, not the GSh-2-30K. There are only four 9M114 launchers, so there should only be four Kokon missiles on the helicopter.

Mi-28
Loadout: The cannon should also be looked at; it doesn't make sense for the moveable 2A42 to have less stabilizers than the fixed GSh-30K on the Mi-24P
Suggestion: The Mi-28 is in a bit of a tough spot at the moment. For five points more, the Ka-50 is much better at actually busting tanks. While the Mi-28's 65% CTH is good, the AP means it has difficulty taking care of the current number of AV20+ tanks. The S-13 rockets do little to help it as well, being too few in numbers to keep something stunned and not quite powerful enough to kill more than a couple squads of infantry or light vehicles before being depleted. One option would be to make the rockets thermobaric, which would allow the HE to increase and cause fires (a unique ability). Another option would be to load the missile tubes with 9M120F Ataka missiles, a thermobaric version.

Ka-52
Loadout: As per Eugen's own source, the pylon opposite the missile would have to be empty for the radar acquisition pod.
The missile should be named "Kh-25MP".
Suggestion: Instead of four Igla missiles, which the Ka-50 already sports, a pair of R-73s would make for a unique loadout.

Mi-4A
Loadout: The S-8 rocket entered service in 1974, so there's no way that the Mi-4A could be carrying this. This was also a troop-carrying version, so it would be best served in that role. The gun should be the A-12.7.

Mi-4AV
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.

Mi-8T
Loadout: These are clearly UB-16-57 rocket pods, which means each has 16 rockets in them. Total rocket load would be 64 rockets, not 32.

Mi-8TV
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.

Mi-8MTV
Loadout: The S-13 wasn't adopted until 1984, so the date should be moved back.

Mi-24A
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.

Ka-27PL-P
Loadout: The image for the Kh-31A looks nothing like a Kh-31A.



North Korea
Spoiler : Juche :
A-5I
Name: The BL-755 bombs should be called "Type 250-3".
Loadout: The PL-7 entered service during the 1980's, not the 70's. Fixed. The cannons should be two Type 23-2 (Chinese AM-23) with 100 rounds each (200 total).

F-5
Loadout: NR-23 should be Type 23-1. The date should be earlier than 1988.

F-5B
Loadout: NR-23 should be Type 23-1, N-37 should be Type 37.
Suggestion: The Polish Lim-6Bis, at the same cost, struggles to be worth a damn with 32 rockets. No way this aircraft has any hope of being worth anything with only eight.
Misc: Model is clearly the MiG-17, not MiG-15. Best to just rename it "F-5A" Fixed in v37. and change cannon loadout to three Type 23-1 cannons with a total of 260 rounds.

F-6C
Loadout: Only about a dozen J-6Bs were built, so it's rather doubtful any were sold anywhere as F-6Bs. Furthermore, this aircraft is rendered redundant by the existence of the better F-7B within the same Category. The J-6B's primary weapon was the PL-1, a copy of the RS-2U missile, and like the MiG-19PM it was based on lacked a cannon. It could not use the PL-5. The gun is not primary, so after the missiles are used the aircraft leaves without using its cannons. Fixed in v92.
Suggestion: Better to make this a pure fighter, renaming it to just F-6C, Fixed in v92. as this had the three Type 30-1 cannons like other MiG-19S variants. The outboard pylons could carry a carry a single 250kg bomb, and the two inboard could carry rockets. No AAM capability was provided to any export F-6 model.

F-7B
Loadout: F-7B was armed with a pair of Type 30-1 cannons (Chinese NR-30) with 60 rounds per gun. PL-7 is a mid-80's missile. Fixed in v37. The gun is not primary, so after the missiles are used the aircraft leaves without using its cannons.

MiG-21Bis
Date: The MiG-21Bis was not acquired until 1999.
Loadout: Kh-66 cannot be carried in pairs. More than two Kh-66 missiles could not be carried either.
Suggestion: This is another "+2 bombs" upgrade for an aircraft, which should not happen. Some alternate loadout (and designation) is desired.
Misc: This is a rather accurate MiG-21Bis model. In fact, this is the most correct MiG-21 model in the game. The MiG-21S, MiG-21Sm, MiG-21Bis Lazur, Polish MiG-21Bis, and MiG-21MF-75 should all use this model.

MiG-23ML
Loadout: The R-27R could not be carried by the MiG-23ML. Only R-23 missiles (R-23R, R-23T). Fixed in v37.
Suggestion: Two more R-60s should be carried. Fixed in pre-v49.

MiG-29 9-12B
Loadout: The R-27 could only be carried on inboard pylons, so a max of two such missiles. Fixed in v37. The R-27T is currently far worse than the R-27R, and even has less accuracy than the R-40T, which is bizarre. Why does the DPRK get the non-export version of the R-73, but China doesn't?
Suggestion: The loadout of R-73 missiles should be increased from two to four. There's really no reason for the number to be so low.

Su-25K
ECM: Should have 10% ECM like the USSR Su-25. Fixed in v37.

Su-7BMK
Loadout: Even if all these rocket pods are supposed to be UB-16-57s, that would still add up to 64 S-5 rockets, not 32. Fixed in v37.
Suggestion: The Su-7 would be better utilized as a bomber, as that was one of its primary roles.

MD 500 S-5
Loadout: Besides the comically oversized pods, the S-8 rockets were kept in 20-round pods, which would likely be too large for such a small chopper. There was also a B-8V7 rocket pod, which held seven S-8 rockets. Fixed

Mi-4
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.

Mi-4 S-8
Loadout: the S-8 rocket entered service in 1974, so aircraft set before that date shouldn't have it. The Mi-4, to my knowledge, was never loaded with the S-8 rocket. The gun should be the A-12.7.

Mi-8 Gunship
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.



China
Spoiler : PRC :
J-7C
Date: The aircraft came after the J-7H, not before.
Loadout: Cannon should be a Type 23-III with 200 rounds. Since it came out after the J-7H, they should swap missiles.
Suggestion: Just one FAB-500 is rather underwhelming. Removing two AAMs and replacing them with bombs (for total of 2xPL-5 and 2xFAB-500). Additionally, the J-7C was phased out very quickly in favor of the J-7D. I would suggest renaming this aircraft to "J-7D", moving the date to 1991, replacing the PL-5 with PL-8 and bumping up the ECM (it has RWR, chaff/flares and jammer, so about 20% ECM).

J-7H
Loadout: Cannons should be a pair of Type 30-1 (Chinese NR-30) with 60 rounds per gun. FAB-1000 hasn't seen use since WWII, it should be the Type 1000-3. It could only be carried on the centerline. The current loading is hilariously unbalance, and would put the MiG-21 in a permanent roll if it tried to take off.
Suggestion: Some of China's 90mm rockets might be more useful on this model.
ECM: Had RWR and flare dispensers, so at least 10% ECM.

J-7II
Loadout: Cannons should be a pair of Type 30-1 (Chinese NR-30) with 60 rounds per gun. The gun is not primary, so after the missiles are used the aircraft leaves without using its cannons.
Suggestion: Since both this and the J-7IIM are CatC, this aircraft suffers from redundancy. Another loadout would be good, like arming it with the Type 90-1 90mm rockets with AP warheads, a good alternative for China since they lack a proper AGM aircraft. Only the inboard pylons could carry missiles; the outboard pylons were reserved for fuel. The pods only carried seven rockets each.

J-7IIM
Name: J-7IIA never entered service. Should be renamed "J-7IIM". Fixed in v37.
Loadout: Cannons should be a pair of Type 30-1 (Chinese NR-30) with 60 rounds per gun.

J-8IIB
Loadout: Cannon should be called "Type 23-III". Missing two pylons.
Suggestion: Since the PL-8 entered service late-80's, changing the missile to that would be a good changeup. Fixed in v37.
ECM: Was equipped with RWR and chaff/flare dispensers. Fixed pre-v49.
Misc: The turn rate on the J-8 is actually worse than that of the J-7.

J-8IIC
Loadout: Cannon should be called "Type 23-III". Missing two pylons.
Suggestion: Changing loadout to two PL-11 MRAAMs and four PL-8 SRAAMs would be a good update to the Chinese airforce.
ECM: Was upgraded over the J-8IIB with RKL-800A EW/ECM suite. Fixed in v37.
Misc: The turn rate on the J-8 is actually worse than that of the J-7.

JH-7
Loadout: The JH-7 could not use the PL-11, and the PL-11 could not be carried on the wingtips. At best it could use the PL-8. The cannon should be the Type 23-III with 300 rounds.
Suggestion: Since anti-ship aircraft are all shared, the JH-7 could easily be repurposed into a bomber for the PLA. A loadout of 8xType 250 (250kg) bombs was a common loadout, plus a pair of PL-5Cs on the wingtips. Alternatively, the YJ-7 TV-guided missile could be used in the ground attack role in the same manner that the AJ.168 could, where two could be carried.

JH-7A
Loadout: The JH-7 could not use the PL-11, and the PL-11 could not be carried on the wingtips. At best it could use the PL-8. The cannon should be the Type 23-III with 300 rounds.

Q-5
Name: Name should be Q-5I, with the date changed to 1980.
Loadout: The cannons should be two Type 23-2 (Chinese AM-23) with 100 rounds each (200 total).

Q-5II
Name: Should be changed to Q-5IA, and date changed to 1985.
Loadout: The cannons should be two Type 23-2 (Chinese AM-23) with 100 rounds each (200 total). The British didn't trade the BL-755 until the 80's, so a better option would be the Type 250-1 cluster bomb, Fixed in pre-v49. which was a reverse-engineered Rockeye.

Q-5D
Loadout: The cannons should be two Type 23-2 (Chinese AM-23) with 100 rounds each (200 total). The QT-2 was a 500kg bomb, so the HE value is incorrect. Accuracy of the laser-guided bombs a far too low.

Su-27SK
Loadout: Why does China get the lower-quality export missiles, while the DPRK does not? The R-73M was an upgrade of the R-73A, so an export version of it (R-73M1) would be about the same as the non-export R-73A. The increased ECM would need a reduction in missiles to account for jammer pods being on the wingtips, just like the Soviet Su-27S.

Z-5
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.

Z-5A
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.



USA
Spoiler : Burgers :
A-10A
Loadout: The Maverick missiles should be consolidated onto two TERs on pylons 3 and 9.
Suggestion: A pair of rocket pods would be a nice touch to this aircraft, helping to further differentiate it from the Su-25 family.
ECM: The A-10 regularly flew with a jammer pod, so the ECM shouldn't be at the same level as the base Su-25.

A-4F Skyhawk
Loadout: AV-8A already does the job of bombing with its Mk-83's. There's no point to another aircraft with only dumb bombs that are even smaller than those on the AV-8A, particularly with a 50 point cost. And certainly not one underloaded to such a heavy degree. Besides, for just 10 points more you get the A-6A, which has better ECM, better speed and eight more bombs.
Suggestion: Taking over the A-4M's Zuni rocket loadout would free the A-4M to take on an alternate loadout.

A-4M Skyhawk
Date: A-4M entered service in 1971. Fixed in v10
Loadout: Cannon should have 400 rounds. A simple "+2 bomb upgrade" over the A-4F is a waste of potential. "Fixed" in the worst possible way in v10.
Suggestion: Instead of rockets, the equivalent of the A-6A's bomb load could be carried.
ECM: The upgrade in jamming capabilities over the A-4F were not quite as big as a 20% increase, I think. A modest 10% should be enough, particularly if the aircraft is moved back to its appropriate time.

A-6A Intruder
Suggestion: The Marine deck lacks any kind of cluster bomber. This could be rectified by the above changes coupled with loading the A-6A with clusters.

A-7E
Loadout: Both it and the F-4S are CatC aircraft and part of the Marine deck, so there's little reason to have both of these planes carrying napalm.
Suggestion: Swap napalm for a pair (or four) of Mk-84's, and a pair of AIM-9Gs on the sidewinder launch rails.

AV-8A Harrier
Loadout: Each ADEN gun pod had 125 rounds, so the total value should be 250 rounds. The GP Mk.10 is British bomb. AIM-9J was not operated by the Navy or Marines. Fixed in v10. More than just two Mk-83s could be carried; another Mk-83 could be carried on the centerline, and this was rather common.

AV-8C Harrier
Loadout: Total cannon rounds should be 250, as there was two pods. CRV-7 was not operated by the US, so these rockets should be Hydras. Fixed in v10.

AV-8B
Loadout: Cannon should have only 300 rounds.

F-111E
Misc: The bombing pattern needs to be fixed to the late ALB levels.

F-14
Loadout: The AIM-9L wasn't available in 1974.
Misc: Shouldn't be in the Navy tab. It doesn't have any anti-ship missiles. If the reason for moving it is because it's a carrier-launched aircraft, then the A-4, A-6, EA-6B, F-4J, F-4S, A-7E, F/A-18A and F/A-18C should be moved as well.

F-15A
Loadout: The AIM-7M was an early 80's missile, so the F-15A should have the AIM-7F.

F-15C
Suggestion: To help distinguish it from the F-16C Block 52, the F-15C could be moved up to 1994 and given the AIM-120B.

F-15D
Misc: This is an aggressors skin, not a combat skin. The actual F-15E paint job is more of a black. The conformal fuel tanks that give the F-15E its distinctive "bulged" look (not modelled in the game, sadly) gave the F-15E a huge range. The T.O.T. should be greater than even the F-15C.
In fact, just rename this to "F-15D" and be done with it. :/
Fixed in v244.

F-16A
Loadout: AIM-9L had IOC in 1977, so the F-16A should be armed with it.
Misc: Turn rate should be comparable to the MiG-29 at least. The MiG doesn't lose out on maneuverability just because it's carrying bombs.

F-16C
Suggestion: US currently lacks an AGM option that isn't either really slow (A-10) or part of the Marine deck (AV-8B, F/A-18A, F/A-18C). A nice option would be to give this loadout of six Rockeyes to the F-16A and change the F-16C's loadout to 4xAGM-65G and 2xAIM-120s. Date should be moved up to 1989 as a result of that.
Misc: Turn rate should be comparable to the MiG-29 at least. The MiG doesn't lose out on maneuverability just because it's carrying bombs.

F-16C Block 52
Name: Should be changed to "F-16C Block 52". The dash is missing. Fixed in v244.
Misc: F-16C was a USAF aircraft, not a Marine/Navy one. Marine tag should be removed. Fixed in pre-v51. The conformal fuel tanks weren't available until the Block 50+/52+ aircraft, which are OOTF.

F-4G
Loadout: AGM-45 could only be carried on the wing pylons, not the centerline or Sparrow wells. The F-4G had no cannon. Fixed in v295 AIM-9s were rarely carried; the only AAMs that might be typically seen were AIM-7s in the Sparrow wells, usually just 2xAIM-7F in the rear wells.
Suggestion: By 1978, the AGM-78C was the standard SEAD missile of the F-4G.

F-4J
Loadout: AIM-9's were never carried one per pylon (unless part of a larger MER). Sidewinder count should be four, with all of them on the two inboard pylons. AIM-9F was only used by European nations; the AIM-9G would be a better choice (just rename the AIM-9B and give it AIM-9J stats, nobody would be using the AIM-9B by 1980). In the Air-to-air role, four Sidewinders and four Sparrows was always carried, unless a jammer pod was being carried in the port forward Sparrow well (in which case just three Sparrows was carried). A load of only two Sparrows was more common on an air-to-ground loadout, not combat air patrols. Right now, this is the only fighter for the USMC, and not only is it crap due to low ammo count, but only comes in one card.

F-4S
Loadout: AIM-9 could only be carried on the inboard pylons, and were almost always in pairs. No bombs could be carried in the Sparrow wells; all bombs should be on the centerline and/or outboard pylons.

F/A-18A
Loadout: By 1983, the AIM-9M would be available.
Suggestion: There's no need for so many AGM aircraft for the Marines, especially with the same missiles. Changing the missiles to AGM-65Ds (and moving date to 1985) would make this aircraft more useful.
Misc: F/A-18 had amazing AoA (Angle of Attack) capability, so the turn rate should be at least 350, if not 300.

F/A-18C
Suggestion: The US Navy/Marine deck lacks a modern fighter (F-16C Block 52 doesn't count). I'd suggest giving it AMRAAMs and AIM-9s instead. Alternatively, if the F/A-18E is turned into a fighter, a loadout of AIM-9s and AGM-123 Skippers.
Misc: F/A-18 had amazing AoA (Angle of Attack) capability, so the turn rate should be at least 350, if not 300.

F/A-18E
Loadout: The Harpoon is the exact same kind carried by the A-6E and the Canadian F/A-18 ASuW, which makes this aircraft something of wasted potential and not a little bit redundant. The AIM-120 cannot be carried on the wingtips, and most certainly not stacked on top of each other.
Suggestion: This aircraft could be made the USMC fighter instead of the F/A-18C, armed with AIM-120B and AIM-9R. Alternatively, its gun could be made "invisible" in the same way that ship CIWS works, and then arm it with AIM-120s, AIM-9s and an air-to-ground weapon like the AGM-123.
Misc: The name of the aircraft is not shown on the actual side of the aircraft. F/A-18 had amazing AoA (Angle of Attack) capability, so the turn rate should be at least 350, if not 300.

AH-1W
Misc: The TOW-2 missiles were kept inside launch tubes, not naked on the racks.

AH-64A Apache
Name: Should be "AH-64A Apache" since the Longbow is now in the game. Fixed
Suggestion: The M230 cannon had greater explosive power than penetrating ability, compared to high-powered cannons like the 2A42. I would suggest swapping its AP and HE values.

AH-64D Longbow
Suggestion: Same as AH-64A.
Misc: The speed of 370 km/h is far in excess of the do-no-exceed speed of the AH-64. Fixed in v92.

AH-1J
Loadout: These rocket models are wrong. Just copy over the models used by the AH-1S.

CH-46 Phrog
Name: The actual name as "Sea Knight". It doesn't matter if everyone called it "Phrog", that's not what the official name was. The A-10 was always called "Hog" or "Warthog", the F-16 was always called "Viper" and the Su-25 was called "Grach", yet those aircraft don't sport those names.
Misc: The irony of using the Marine nickname "Phrog" is that no marines can come in this chopper. Fixed


United Kingdom
Spoiler : Orthodontics :
Eurofighter
Loadout: UK never operated the AIM-9M. This should be the ASRAAM, a missile that entered service in 1998 and would have been sooner if the Germans hadn't pulled out. The inboard pylons could not carry AAMs; four AAMs were typically carried conformally to the fuselage and the second inboard wing pylons could carry AIM-9/ASRAAMs in pairs. In total, 12 AAMs could be carried.

Harrier GR.1
Loadout: The pair of ADEN cannons each had 125 rounds, for a total of 250 rounds. The bombs are 1000lb, or 454kg. The HE damage should be the same as the Mk-83 bombs, at 15HE.
Suggestion: Since the GR.1 Harrier is the slowest and has the worst ECM of the family, it would make sense that it get the rocket loadout instead of the GR.3 Harrier. This would be a good excuse to use the SNEB rockets which haven't seen use.

Harrier GR.3
Loadout: The pair of ADEN cannons each had 125 rounds, for a total of 250 rounds. The Harrier GR.3 never used the CRV-7. Fixed in v21. 38 rockets were carried in only two pods, not four.
Suggestion: Give it the current Harrier GR.1 2xbomb loadout, providing the UK with a good light bomber option.

Harrier GR.5
Loadout: The GR.5 would have been equipped with the ADEN 25, which fired the same round as the GAU-12, with at least 125 rounds per pod. The bombs are 1000lb, or 454kg. The HE damage should be the same as the Mk-83 bombs, at 15HE.
Suggestion: A rather unwanted middle child right now. A good option to breath life into it would be to rename it "Sea Harrier FRS.2" and give it an anti-air loadout of 2xAIM-120 and 4xAIM-9L. The cannon pods would be replaced with the two AIM-120s, and the outboard pylons would have dual-launcher rails for the AIM-9Ls. This would provide Commonwealth (and British) Marine decks with a good dedicated air-to-air fighter.

Harrier GR.7
Loadout: The UK never used or had the AIM-9M Fixed or AGM-65E. The UK acquired the AGM-65D2G around 2001. Right now this is sitting as an AV-8B clone with better ECM but worse stats for its other two weapons. Fixed in Million Mile DLC#1. The cannon pods were almost never carried on the GR.7 and GR.9 series aircraft. The GBU-12 wasn't used by the UK until the 2000's. Until then, they had the CPU-123/B, a GP Mk.13 1000lb bomb with a Paveway II kit.
Suggestion: Instead of Mavericks, a pair of CPU-123/B laser-guided bombs would give this aircraft a nice capability. The CPU-123/B were based on the Mk.13/18 1000lb bombs with Paveway II kits.
ECM: Probably just an oversight, but the ECM should at least be as good as the GR.5's (40%). Fixed in v41.

Jaguar GR.1
Loadout: The Jaguar had two ADEN cannons with 150 rounds per gun, for a total of 300 rounds. The AJ.168 was a very large, long-range missile. Range should not be so anemic as 2975m.
Suggestion: To facilitated a more accurate representation of the UK air force, the AJ.168 could be moved from the Jaguar GR.1A to the GR.1.

Jaguar GR.1A
Loadout: The Jaguar had two ADEN cannons with 150 rounds per gun, for a total of 300 rounds. The Martel missiles could only be carried on the centerline.
Suggestion: To facilitate a more accurate representation of the UK air forces, the current four bombs from the GR.5 Harrier could be loaded on the two inboard pylons in tandem configuration. An AIM-9 could also be carried on the overwing pylons.

Sea Harrier FA.2
Loadout: Each ADEN cannon pod carried 125 rounds, for a total of 250 rounds.
Suggestion: The Sea Harrier's main job was fleet defence, so to represent that role the Sea Eagle from the Tornado GR.1B should be given to the Sea Harrier FA.2. Alternatively, if the changes to the Tornado series are implemented, this could be instead equipped with 2xAIM-120 and 4xAIM-9L.
ECM: The countermeasure capabilities of the Sea Harrier FA.2 were generally similar to the GR.5, with the Marconi Sky Guardian ECM as part of the radar package. ECM should be at least the same as the GR.5 (40%).

Sea Harrier FRS.1
Loadout: Each ADEN cannon pod carried 125 rounds, for a total of 250 rounds.
ECM: Countermeasure systems were about on par with the Jaguar GR.1, so a bump could be warranted.

Tornado F.2
Loadout: The cannons shouldn't be more inaccurate than DEFA cannons on ground attack French aircraft.
Suggestion: When the F.2s were first delivered, they didn't have radar as it wasn't ready yet. The radar didn't come until over a year later, which is the date of the Tornado F Mk.3. To solve this issue, why not just implement the change of the F.3 below and rename this unit to "Tornado F.3", arming it with 4xAIM-9L and 4xSkyflash SuperTEMP.

Tornado F.3
Loadout: The ADV model did not have the outboard pylons of the IDS series, so the four AIM-9Ls should be on twin launch rails. Just used the model from ALB. The cannons shouldn't be more inaccurate than DEFA cannons on ground attack French aircraft.
Suggestion: Since the model is already that of an IDS version, why not rename this unit "Tornado GR.4", set the date to 1993 (proto),and arm it with three or five ALARMs. The Tornado was the primary carrier of the ALARM.
Misc: The skin is that of the IDS series. All ADV were painted grey.

Tornado GR.1
Loadout: The Tornado IDS could only carry two AIM-9s, not four. Bombs were carried on the fuselage, not the wing pylons. Four more could easily be loaded as well, and it was common to have eight 1000lb class bombs.

Tornado GR.1B
Name: Should be "Tornado GR.1B" Fixed in v244.
ECM: No reason this should have less ECM than the regular GR.1 Tornado.
Loadout: Sea Eagle missiles look like Sea Skua, not actual Sea Eagles. The AS-37 missile model would be more accurate. The missiles were carried on the fuselage, not the wings. It seems odd that a late 80's missile is worse than the mid-70's Exocet. The GR.1B could only carry two AIM-9 missiles. The GR.1B was equipped with Sea Eagles in 1993, so the date should change.

Lynx AH.1
Misc: Speed should be 300 km/h. Fixed in v92.

Lynx AH.7
Misc: Speed should be 320 km/h. Fixed in v92.



France
Spoiler : Hon hon :
Etendard IVM
Suggestion: The Etendard tends to die easily due to its slow speed and low ECM. Swapping out its two bombs for a pair of Type 155 SNEB pods would be a welcome change, giving France a rocket aircraft.

Super Etendard SEM
Loadout: The Super Etendard, when loaded with the AS.30L, did not load ammo for the guns as they would have damaged te ATLIS pod. The missile should probably use the AS-37 model, as that is more accurate than the AJ.168 model.
Suggestion: The date of this aircraft should be moved back to 1974 and the role (and name) swapped with the Super Etendard SEM. From the outset, the SuE could use the Exocet missile, so there's no reason to for an Exocet-carrying SuE to CatA. With an Exocet missile, the aircraft could also use its pair of DEFA 552 with a total of 250 rounds. Kinda (?) fixed in v21. Needs work. Seems to be half-finished. The deck type and loadout needs to be swapped with the current Naval Super Etendard. Fixed in v61.

Super Etendard
Loadout: Should be swapped in terms of date, loadout and deck type with the Super Etendard SEM. Since there seems to be some confusion here, this is what they should look like. Fixed in v61.
Super Etendard: Should be 1974, be a NAVY aircraft, and armed with a single AM-39 and cannons.
Super Etendard SEM: Should be 1995, be available to several NON-NAVY decks,
have NO cannons, and a single AS.30L missile. Fixed in v61.

F-8E(FN) Crusader
Name: Should be "F-8E(FN) Crusader". Fixed in v244.
Loadout: Each gun had 125 rounds, and with four guns there should be 500 rounds total.

Jaguar A
Loadout: The DEFA cannons had 150 rounds each, so there should be 300 rounds total. The cannons shouldn't be more accurate than on the Jaguar GR.1, given the more advanced avionics package on the GR.1. The Martel could only be carried on the centerline, with the two wing pylons usually carrying 264gal tanks.

Mirage F1C
Loadout: Should be total of 300 rounds, since each gun had 150 rounds.

Mirage F1C-200
Loadout: Magic II entered service in 1986. Should be total of 300 rounds, since each gun had 150 rounds.
Suggestion: To save this aircraft from obscurity, dropping the Super 530s in exchange for the F1CT's BLG-66 cluster bombs would work.

Mirage F1CT
Loadout: DEFA cannons were 150 rounds per gun, so there should be 300 rounds total.
Suggestion: Give the BLG-66 to the Mirage F1C-200 and change the loadout to four BGL-400 laser-guided bombs.

Mirage IIIC
Loadout: Since each cannon had 125 rounds per gun, the total should be 250 rounds.
Misc: Sorry, there's no way a Mirage III or 5 is out-turning the F/A-18. Heck, sustained turn rate is worse than the MiG-21 at corner speed.

Mirage 5F
Loadout: The bombs are loaded incorrectly. Each cannon had 125 rounds per gun, so the total should be 250.
Misc: Sorry, there's no way a Mirage III or 5 is out-turning the F/A-18. Heck, sustained turn rate is worse than the MiG-21 at corner speed.

Rafale C F1
Loadout: The tandem missiles on the centerline was never used. The Mica IR is a 2000 missile. Furthermore, the missiles are loaded incorrectly.

Tigre HAD
Loadout: The HOT missiles were always carried in launch tubes, like on the Gazelle.



Canada
Spoiler : Sorry :
CF-101B
Loadout: The AIM-4D missiles are located on the wrong spots of the fuselage. The missiles are located on a rotating bay on the aircraft. They are basically stacked on each other.
Misc: What the heck is this thing doing with 320 turn rate?

CF-116
Loadout: Each cannon carried 280 rounds, for a total of 560 rounds. The Mk-83 could only be loaded on the inboard pylons, not the outboard pylons.

EF-101B
Loadout: Same issue as CF-101B.

CF-18 AsuW
Name: The acronym "ASW" stands for "anti-submarine warfare". The best option would be "ASuW". Fixed in v244. The "S" in "AsuW" should be capitalized.
Suggestion: Since Canada can already just use American or British anti-ship planes, a better use of this unit would be to give it to ANZAC for a modern fighter; armed with 4xAIM-7M and 4xAIM-9L, it would provide a very good fighter option. Alternatively, 2xAIM-7M and 4xAIM-9L for better T.O.T.

CH-118 Gunship
Loadout: This is a loadout never carried by the Canadians. Ever. This is a US Vietnam loadout. It should go back to the US. Furthermore, CRV-7 rockets couldn't be loaded on helicopters until the late 80's.

CH-135 Gunship
Loadout; CRV-7 rockets came in either 7 or 19-round pods. It's not possible to have 28 rockets. The date should be moved back to the late 80's, as the C15 motors of the original CRV-7 caused issues for slow-flying aircraft, and it wasn't until the C17 rocket motor that they could be carried by helicopters.



West Germany
Spoiler : Don't mention the war :
F-4F
Loadout: The AIM-9's were only carried in pairs on the inboard pylons, never on the outboard pylons.
Misc: The F-4F family removed the #7 fuel tank. This, combined with the removal of FCS for the Sparrow, made the aircraft about 1500kg lighter. The aircraft should have slightly better performance than the other Phantom versions, but should have less autonomy.

F-4F KWS
Loadout: The AIM-9's should only be on the inboard pylons on dual-rails. The AIM-120's are also missing from the forward missile wells. Fixed in v37.

F-4F Peace Rhine
Date: AGM-65D didn't enter US service until 1986. AGM-65B would be available initially; AGM-65G didn't come along until the F-4F KWS(LA).
Loadout: The AGM-65 could not be carried on any fuselage location. They were kept on the same inboard pylon, though the best alternative would be to put the Maverick on the outboard pylons.

Tornado ECR
Loadout: Only two AIM-9 missiles could be carried, not four. The AGM-88 could only be carried two on the fuselage, with the other two carried under the inboard wing pylons. More typically, though, the inboard pylons carried fuel tanks.
Misc: The current skin is completely wrong. By 1995 and later, it should be white/grey. Before that, it wore Norm 83 like the other Tornados.

Tornado IDS
Loadout: Only two AIM-9's could be carried, not four. Bombs weren't carried staggered like on the ADV, but on straight, parallel fuselage hardpoints.

Tornado MFG
Loadout: Four AS.34 could not be carried on the fuselage. Two could be carried on the inboard pylons, so moving two from the fuselage to those wing locations would work.

F-104G
ECM: The update in 1977 to provide the F-104G anti-ship capability also provided it with internal jammers, chaff dispensers and RWR.

Bo 105P/PAH-1/1A1
Misc: Model should be swapped with PAH-1.

PAH-2 Tiger
Loadout: The PAH-2 configuration for Germany never carried rockets, nor was the military interested in obtaining rockets for their helicopters. They were seen as pure tankbusters. While perhaps a bit of a nerf to Germany, it makes perfect sense for them to have such a handicap; it adds national flavour that isn't artificial. The HOT missiles were always carried in launch tubes, like on the Gazelle.



ANZAC
Spoiler : Sheep are nice :
A-4K Skyhawk
Loadout: AGM-65C was never produced. The Maverick couldn't be carried on the centerline. This is more how the Maverick would be carried with Sidewinders. The AIM-9B was not used by New Zealand, they relied on the AIM-9H. The AGM-65B wasn't delivered until 1986. Fixed in v37. The AGM-65D was not delivered to New Zealand; they got the AGM-65B (in 1986) and AGM-65G (in 1992).
ECM: The A-4K was equipped with RWR and chaff/flare dispensers.
Misc: I kind of wonder where the extra person came from, considering the A-4K derived from the A-4G.

A-4K Kahu
Loadout: Same issue as the other A-4K. The AGM-65G was the Maverick version delivered, and not until the early 90's. Would be equipped with the AIM-9P, not AIM-9M or AIM-9L. Fixed in v37.
Misc: Like the A-4K, there shouldn't be a dorsal hump.

MB-339CB
Loadout: This aircraft has the same job and nearly same loadout as the Strikemaster, but with just +2 bombs. +2 bomb upgrades should not happen, so another loadout for either it or the Strikemaster would be gold. The aircraft had 2x7.62 FN machineguns with 550 rounds each, for a total of 1100 rounds.
ECM: The MB-339CB was equipped with RWR and a chaff/flare dispenser, so it could use an ECM bump.

F-111C
Name: Should just be "F-111C". Fixed in v37.
Loadout: Twin loadings of the Mk-84 could not be carried. At best, four Mk-84 bombs could be carried. The F-111C could, however, gain +10%ECM since it had jammers.

F-4E
Loadout: The F-4E was only used by RAAF between 1970 and 1973, so by 1980 they didn't have them anymore. Furthermore, they were only used for ground attack, not for air defense.
Suggestion: Since the F-4E, while in Aussie service, didn't do air defence, I would suggest doing a role swap with the F/A-18; give the F-4E several Mk-83s and give it either 2xAIM-7 or 4xAIM-9 or its anti-air loadout. A more comprehensive change would be to rename it to "Phantom FG.1" and give it to the British armed with 4xSkyflash and 4xAIM-9J (stand-in for AIM-9G), since by 1974 the F-4E wasn't even in Aussie service anymore. The Canadian CF-18 ASuW could be given to ANZAC as the "F/A-18A ASF" armed with 4xAIM-7M and 4xAIM-9L; this would provide a different loadout from the CF-188 and while the weapons are the same as the F-15J, the airframe would be different.
ECM: Like the American counterparts, the F-4E was equipped with RWR and chaff/flare dispensers, so the ECM deserves a bump. Fixed in v95.

F/A-18A
Suggestion: Following on from the above suggestion, swapping out the Mk-83s for some air defence missiles would really help their self-defence capabilities. Alternatively, if the Canadian CF-18 is repurposed, this unit can remain as it is.

Mirage IIIO(A)
Loadout: Each cannon had 150 rounds, so total rounds should be 300 rounds.
Misc: Sorry, there's no way a Mirage III or 5 is out-turning the F/A-18. Heck, sustained turn rate is worse than the MiG-21 at corner speed.

Mirage IIIO(F)
Loadout: Each cannon had 150 rounds, so total rounds should be 300 rounds. Besides being worse at being a fighter than the A-4K, the AIM-9B was not used by 1980, they used the Magic. Fixed in v37. Furthermore, there should be an R.530 missile on the centerline.
Misc: Sorry, there's no way a Mirage III or 5 is out-turning the F/A-18. Heck, sustained turn rate is worse than the MiG-21 at corner speed.

Bushranger
Loadout: The CRV-7 couldn't be carried by helicopters until the late 80's. Rockets should be Hydras at best.



Japan
Spoiler : Nippon :
F-1
Loadout: The F-1's primary job was anti-ship. The AIM-9L was the main armament on the wingtips, when carried. The GCS-1 were IR-guided, so should be [F&F]. Fixed in v43.
Suggestion: Seeing as the F-1 was mainly anti-ship, arming it with the ASM-1 would make sense, though not at all necessary.
ECM: The F-1 had an RWR.

F-104J
Misc: The 850 turn radius is likely a bug. All F-104s should have about 450 turn radius. Fixed in Millionth Mile DLC#1.

F-4EJ
Loadout: When in fighter configuration, four AIM-9's would be carried, not just two. Fixed in pre-v49. AIM-9F was used in Europe, but not in Japan. AAM-1 was in use by 1971.
ECM: Like the American F-4E, the F-4EJ had RWR, chaff and flares. Fixed in v92.
Suggestion: To help fill out all categories with ASFs, the F-4EJ could be moved to 1983 and given 4xAIM-9L and 4xAIM-7Fs for its missiles (or 3xAIM-7F for improved ECM). The F-104 would remain the CatC fighter.

F-4EJ Kai
Loadout: AIM-7's could not be carried under the wing pylons; they were only carried on the Sparrow wells on the fuselage. Essentially, the location of the bombs and missiles should be swapped.
ECM: Like the American F-4E, the F-4EJ had RWR, chaff and flares. One AIM-7 could also be removed to provide jamming capability, and would be necessary to simulate the better ECM over the F-4EJ. The Kai also had access to more modern jammers, so the ECM could be bumped up to 30%.
Suggestion: The M117 bomb could be carried in pairs, so up to an extra four bombs could be carried.

F-15J
Suggestion: This aircraft could be moved up to 1991 and given the AAM-3 missile, providing a better fighter for CatA Japan. The AIM-120 is sadly OOTF, but at least the SRAAM can be upgraded.

F-86F Kyokko
Name: Guns were called "AN/M3".
Loadout: Each gun had 267 rounds, for a total of 1602 rounds.



South Korea
Spoiler : APM :
A-37B
Name: The nickname was "Dragonfly", so it would be appropriate for this unit to be named "A-37B Dragonfly".

F-16C Block 30B
Loadout: The Block 30B didn't feature any particular improvement in countermeasures over the Block 30.

F-4DS
Loadout: Bombs could not be carried in the Sparrow wells. They could only be carried on the centerline or on the wings.
Suggestion: A pair of AIM-7's could be carried on the rear pylons.
ECM: Like the American F-4 family, the F-4DS had RWR, chaff and flares. Fixed in v92.

F-4ES
Loadout: AGM-65C was never produced. Fixed in v61. The Maverick could not be carried on any fuselage location; only the inboard pylons could carry it. The Maverick could be carried on the LAU-88 TER, but I don't know if South Korea used those.
Misc: T.O.T. is for some reason less than the F-4DS, despite carrying a smaller war load.
ECM: Like the American F-4E, the F-4ES had RWR, chaff and flares. It could also carry a jammer in the forward Sparrow well. Fixed in v92.

F-5A
Loadout: Each cannon carried 280 rounds, for a total of 560 rounds. The wingtips should have either the tanks or AIM-9s; these were required by the design, as the wing suffered damaging oscillations if either the wingtip tanks or the AIM-9 launch rails were not present.

KF-5E
Loadout: Each cannon carried 280 rounds, for a total of 560 rounds. Six sidewinders could not be carried by any F-5 variant, and only a handful could even carry four.

F-86F
Name: Guns were called "AN/M3".
Loadout: Each gun had 267 rounds, for a total of 1602 rounds. Only two rocket pods could be carried, so only a max of eight Zuni rockets.
Misc: The rocket pod model should use the new smaller one.

KF-16C Block 52D
Misc: T.O.T. should be the same as the fighter variant, as they would be carrying missiles on the same hard points with the same ones free for fuel tanks. Basically like this.
ECM: The ECM capabilities of the KF-16 weren't any more special over other Block 50/52 aircraft.

AH-1J
Misc: The rocket pod models are wrong. Just copy over the ones used by the US AH-1S.



Some general aircraft comments.
  • All F-16's should share the same turn rate as the MiG-29. The difference between them was very small, and quickly shifts in favour of one or the other depending on speed (MiG-29 was better at lower speeds).
  • MiG-21 and J-7 turn rates need to be standardized. 400 or 450 is a good value, whatever the F-104 gets put at.
  • There's no need for so many anti-ship helicopters and aircraft. Since BLUEFOR and REDFOR share each other's naval assets, each side only needs one aircraft and helicopter for each respective category, while the rest can be rerolled with other loadouts.
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Re: Loadout Errors

Postby Xeno426 » Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:49

Well, DLC #1 is out the door, so here's a list of issues with the air forces of Scandinavia and the NSWP.

East Germany
Spoiler : Top Secret :
MiG-17F
Loadout: The extra two bombs should be placed on the outboard pylons.
Suggestion: The N-37 should have 2 or 1.5 HE. The round was slow to fire, but the HEI-T rounds were 736g and could take out a bomber in a single hit.

MiG-17PF
Loadout: The FAB-500 is way too heavy to be carried on the MiG-17.
Suggestion: The N-37 should have 2 or 1.5 HE. The round was slow to fire, but the HEI-T rounds were 736g and could take out a bomber in a single hit.

MiG-23
Loadout: For some reason, the DDR's MiG-23's are carrying the MiG-21's GSh-23 cannon, in that it has the same stats and image of the MiG-21 cannon rather than the stats and image of other nation's MiG-23 cannon.

MiG-23MF
Loadout: The missiles are switched around; carrying R-23 missiles on the fuselage was a very atypical loadout, and it was by far more common to have the R-23's on the wing root pylons while the R-60 missiles went on the fuselage.

MiG-23BN
Suggestion: The two R-60s do very little to help this aircraft. It would be of more use for them to be exchanged for another pair of RBK-500 bombs.

MiG-29 9-13
Name: The DDR did not receive product 9-13; instead, they got product 9-12A.
Suggestion: Replace the R-77's with a pair of R-27ER's.

Su-22M4
Loadout: The self-defence AAMs were carried on the interwing pylons, which were added for the R-60 in the Su-17M2/22M2 aircraft. The cannons should be two two 30mm NR-30, each with 80 rounds.

Su-22M4P
Loadout: The self-defence AAMs were carried on the interwing pylons, which were added for the R-60 in the Su-17M2/22M2 aircraft. The cannons should be two two 30mm NR-30, each with 80 rounds.

KHS Mi-8TB
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.

Mi-35P
Loadout: The info card says it carries S-8 rockets, but the model has UB-32 pods.
Suggestion: Since this is a proper gunship version of the Mi-24, it would be nice to be able to call it in separately from infantry and would give the DDR a rather nice attack helo platform.

THS Mi-24
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.

Mi-8T
Loadout: The rocket pods are clearly UB-16-57 of some type, so they each have 16 rockets in them. 4 * 16 = 64, not 32.

Mi-8TV
Loadout: Should have another 32 rockets, since it's packing an extra pair of UB-16 pods over the Mi-8T, for a total of 96 S-5 rockets. The gun should be the A-12.7.



Poland
Spoiler : Ballsy :
Lim-6Bis
Loadout: The rocket pod should be the Mars-2.
Suggestion: As it stands now, this aircraft is pretty worthless and all-around worse than the DDR's MiG-17F. As suggested in this thread, changing one of its cannons to fire AP rounds (and thus giving it AP1, I would suggest the N-37), and changing the S-5 rockets to S-5KP (HEAT, 130mm vs RHA) or S-5KO (hollow charge) to give them AP1 or AP2 would give this aircraft a use by making it a decent light armor buster.
If nothing else, the N-37 should have 1.5 or 2 HE. The round was slow to fire, but the HEI-T rounds were 736g and could take out the large bombers of the 60's (B-52) in a single hit.

MiG-19PM
Loadout: The missiles were carried on the inboard and interwing pylons. The outboard pylons were used for fuel tanks.

Mig-21Bis
Loadout: The R-73 wasn't ever cleared for this aircraft (much later post-Soviet MiG-21 variants could carry it, though).
Suggestion: Instead, it should carry the R-60M. Best to wait for DLC before making this change, though.

MiG-23MF
Suggestion: Since the MiG-23BN was not used by Poland, and Poland is lacking in MRAAM's, replacing this aircraft with the MiG-23MF would work out well. It could be loaded with two R-23R's under the wing gloves and two R-13M's on the fuselage. Fixed in Millionth Mile DLC#1. The model is incorrect; it should be using the MiG-23ML model found on the DDR and CSSR MiG-23MLs.

MiG-29 9-13
Name: The 9-13 was not operated by Poland. Changing the name to "MiG-29 9-12A" would be the best option, especially since it seems to share the 9-13's ECM anyway.

Su-22M4 Seria 30
Suggestion: The cannons should be two 30mm NR-30, each with 80 rounds. Since this aircraft now shares its era with the Su-22M3, which is better, I would suggest changing this to "Su-22M4 Series 30" and arming it with a pair of Kh-29T missiles. Fixed in Millionth Mile DLC#1.

Su-22M4
Name: The Su-22M3 was only exported to Hungary. Other nations (Lybia, Syria, Angola, Peru, South Yemen, North Yemen) got the Su-22M3K, which uses the R29B engine. The name should be "Su-22M4". Fixed in v244.
Loadout: The cannons should be two 30mm NR-30, each with 80 rounds. Same AAM location issue as DDR's Su-22M4. The outboard wing pylons and fuselage pylons could carry either Kh-23 or Kh-25 (or Kh-27PS) missiles.

Su-7 series
Loadout: The cannon is wrong. Similar to the Su-17/20/22 series, they should have two NR-30 30mm cannons with 70 rounds each.

Mi-2 URN
Loadout: What happened to the Mars-2 rocket pods? Those were correct. Or are you going for pods that look like these? Now we have pods with only eight rocket tubes for a total of 16 rockets, but the card still says 32 rockets.

Mi-2 URP-G
Loadout: The missiles should be held in special pods.
Suggestion: With the URS being in the same category and armed with a much better missile, this aircraft really needs something to make it stand out from the URS, and a crappy ATGM doesn't really do the job.

Mi-24W
Loadout: The four-round launcher is rather new for Russian ATGM's. It would make more sense for it to carry the regular twin-missile pod on the wingtips, and two additional twin-pods on the middle two pylons.



Czechoslovakia
Spoiler : Thrusting gloriously into Germany :
S-105
Loadout: The MiG-19S (of which the S-105 is a licensed copy) had only two pylons for ordinance (the inner-most one on each wing of current model), with the outboard pylon on each wing reserved for a fuel tank.
Suggestion: This aircraft could be made more useful as a very cheap multi-role aircraft by giving it dual-purpose A2G and A2A rockets.

MiG-21MF-75
Loadout: The MiG-21MF-75 was never cleared for the R-27R. Fixed in Millionth Mile DLC#1.
Suggestion: If the CSSR got the MiG-23ML with R-24R missiles, this could get a more realistic loadout of 4xR-13M missiles. Fixed in Millionth Mile DLC#1.

MiG-23BN
Loadout: The base Kh-23 missile is horribly out of date by this game's timeframe. Fixed in Millionth Mile DLC#1.

MiG-29 9-12A
Loadout: The ODAB-500 bombs should each be on their own pylon, not bunched together on one.

Su-25K
Suggestion: Since the Kh-23 on the MiG-23BN is so bad, changing this aircraft's loadout to four Kh-25ML missiles might be worthwhile. Fixed

Su-22M4
Loadout: The cannons should be two 30mm NR-30, each with 80 rounds. Additionally, the USSR no longer used the FAB-1000 by 1975; it had been supplanted by the FAB-1500, which would be too heavy for the Su-17 family (except maybe on the centerline).
Suggestion: Eight FAB-500 bombs could be carried (four in tandem on two fuselage locations, two on the outboard wing and two on the inboard wing pylons), though this could be reduced to just six for cost reasons. The interwing pylons could carry a single R-60 or R-60M.

Mi-4
Loadout: Same issue as USSR Mi-4A. The gun should be the A-12.7.

Mi-4T
Loadout: The gun should be the A-12.7.

Mi-35
Loadout: The rocket pods are B-8V20A on the model, but the actual weapon carried are the S-5 rockets. It should be given UB-32 rocket models, or given the S-8 rocket weapons.
Suggestion: Changing the rocket pods for four S-24 rockets would be really unique. Four of the Kokon missiles would have to be removed, though.



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Spoiler : IKEA :
J 35D
Loadout: Only two 19-round rocket pods could be carried on the J 35D (J 35J could carry four), both on the fuselage (as two are now), so the J 35D should have 38 rockets. Additionally, the nature of the rocket pod meant that all rockets had to be fired in one go. After depressing the fire button the nose cap was blasted off into four pieces and all rockets were fired within 0.3 seconds (each rocket fired 0.015 seconds between each other). The pods themselves looked rather like fuel tanks, like this museum piece demonstrates (the forground rocked is an m/56D, the type fire from the A 32A or SK 60). It should be noted "Blind" means "Inert" in this case.
For an example on how the rockets get fired, I'll direct you to this video.
Misc: The early J 35's, up to early production J 35F's (J 35F1), didn't have the small bulge under the radome (this was for the AN/AAA-4 IRST).

J 35F
Loadout: The outermost pylon on each wing could not carry guided missiles, but were only used for ground attack munitions (like rockets). Instead, these would be carried on the two fuselage pylons.
Suggestion: The Rb 24J could also be used by this model (from 1978 on), which was a copy of the AIM-9P3. Another common weapon on the J 35F and J 35J would be the Rb 27, a licenced-produced copy of the AIM-26B Falcon, a larger SARH version of the AIM-4. These could only be carried on the fuselage or the wing pylons.
For a cheap multirole aircraft, a loadout consisting of twelve sprangraket m/56 135mm rockets on the wings and a pair of Raketkapsel m/57 on the fuselage would work quite well.

J 35J
Loadout: The Sidewinders would be carried under the intakes, pylons only found on the J 35J. The Falcon missiles would then be located where the current sidewinders are and the other two Falcons could be carried on the fuselage pylons.
Suggestion: To add some variety to the J 35 line, the loadout could be changed to a pair of Rb 27's on the wings and four Rb 24J's on the fuselage and under the intakes.

AJ 37
Loadout: The outer pylon of each wing could only carry the Rb 28. The Rb 24 or Rb 24J would be carried on the two fuselage pylons. Only two Rb 75's could be carried, both on the inboard wing pylons.
Misc: In service AJ37s were painted gray on the bottom and with a "splinter" camouflage scheme on top, featuring a four-color pattern of tan, light green, dark green, and dark blue. It's kind of iconic to the aircraft.

JA 37
Loadout: Furthermore, the RB 71 would be carried on the inboard wing pylons, and instead of dual AIM-9 rails it would have one missile on the outer wing pylons and one missile on each of the two fuselage pylons.

PVHKP 9A
Name: The Swedish designation of the TOW was Rb 55.



Denmark
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F 35 Draken
Loadout: Instead of in pairs, one of the AIM-9's should be placed under the intakes.
Misc: Danish Drakens had improved jamming systems (ECM should be 20%). It also carried more fuel than the J 35D (4034 l vs the J 35D's 2920 l), so should have a greater T.O.T. The camoflage scheme is also incorrect.

Starfighter
Loadout: The cannon only carried 725 rounds.

F-16A Block 5
Loadout: The cannon only carries 511 rounds.

F-16A Block 15
Loadout: Like other F-16's, there is a missing pylon between the wingtip and the AIM-7 rail.
Suggestion: Two more AIM-9's could be carried on the missing pylons.

Cayuse
Misc: Despite being the exact same helicopter as North Korea's MD 500, this helicopter only has [Very Good] optics while the DPRK one has [Excellent]. The DPRK unit is considered a "commando" unit, thus it gets better optics.

Scout Defender
Loadout: Does this thing even have a purpose? Only 14 rockets on a [Good] optics helicopter?



Norway
Spoiler : Vikings :
F-104G
Loadout: The cannon only carried 725 rounds. The two AIM-9s could be carried on the wingtips.
Misc: I'm sure the 850 turn radius is a bug. All F-104s should have about 450 turn radius. Fixed in Millionth Mile DLC#1.

F-5A
Name: The Mk.32 Zuni warheads were AP; Mk.24 was the HE General Purpose warheads. Fixed in v244.
Suggestion: The wingtips of the F-5A could carry small AAMs like the Sidwinder. The centerline could also carry large stores. At the very least another pair of LAU-10 pods would be welcome.

F-16A
Loadout: The cannon only carries 511 rounds. Like other F-16's, there are two more pylons that could be added just inboard the wingtip pylons for AAMs.
Suggestion: These were initially block 1 aircraft, but in 1983 and 1984 they were updated to block 10 standard under the Pacer Loft I and Pacer Loft II programs, so two versions of this aircraft would certainly be ideal. The second version could be loaded with six AIM-9L's for air dominance on pylons 1, 2, 3, 7, 8 and 9.
Misc: The skin is that of American Aggressor squads. Norwegian F-16's (pre-MLU) would look more like this.
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Re: Loadout Errors

Postby James Roper » Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:27

Excellent observations and suggestions as usual. I've read over the U.S. and UK so far and approve of everything you suggested.

I'd love to see an AMRAAM carrying Sea Harrier FA.2, and for the Tornado ADV F.3 to get the correct paint scheme.
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Postby Vasto » Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:51

Xeno426 wrote:Su-27K
Misc: Model is missing the iconic canards of the Su-27K, and the extra two pylons (which are found on the Su-30) are missing.


Shouldn't the Su-27M have canards as well?
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Postby Xeno426 » Wed 19 Mar 2014 19:08

I've added Canada, Germany and ANZAC. I'd like to know precisely what Mavericks and AIM-9 variants Australia used, if anyone knows.

James Roper wrote:p.s. No 's' needed with 'United Kingdom'.

Fixed.

Vasto wrote:Shouldn't the Su-27M have canards as well?

Good point. Added.
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Postby Kothra » Wed 19 Mar 2014 19:32

I'm seeing several images of Marineflieger Tornados carrying two Kormorans on the fuselage.

Unless you mean two on the fuselage and two on the inner pylons. I assumed initially from your wording that it could only hold them on the pylons. Could be my mistake for assuming something silly anyway.

And then it looks like the Sidewinders are held on the inner side of the inner pylons?
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Postby Brutoni » Wed 19 Mar 2014 19:47

I'll try dig up details on commonwealth stuff. That said the UK stuff I approve of. All the models and weapons are in existence they are just poorly implemented. The changes made would for most countries really help diversity and encourage a greater selection of aircraft.
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Postby Xeno426 » Wed 19 Mar 2014 20:07

Added Japan and South Korea.

Kothra wrote:I'm seeing several images of Marineflieger Tornados carrying two Kormorans on the fuselage.

Unless you mean two on the fuselage and two on the inner pylons. I assumed initially from your wording that it could only hold them on the pylons. Could be my mistake for assuming something silly anyway.

I edited it to clarify what I meant.

Kothra wrote:And then it looks like the Sidewinders are held on the inner side of the inner pylons?

Correct, but I've stopped bothering with that one.
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Postby Leatherneck2382 » Wed 19 Mar 2014 20:10

At quick glance, the US Marine related aircraft errors you pointed out I approve of. I'd say to add nixing the Marine Tomcat (as it's not accurate in any shape or form) in favor of the F/A-18C suggestion.

NOTE: Before there's hate, slap Navy Insignia on there if you Tomcat lovers didn't get any other options. ;)
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Postby Kothra » Wed 19 Mar 2014 20:13

Xeno426 wrote:Added Japan and South Korea.
Kothra wrote:And then it looks like the Sidewinders are held on the inner side of the inner pylons?

Correct, but I've stopped bothering with that one.


Yeah, I guess they would have done it by now, and it pretty much works as it is.

And what about the ECR's HARMs? I'm not seeing more than two carried on the fuselage. Give it the same treatment as the MFG?
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