antizombies_boy wrote:IMO next Wargame franchise title should be focused in Mediterranean Sea enviroment. Why this:
-It's a main scenario never used in Wargame (Cold War existed on Mediterranean too).
-The amount of "new" countries it could bring (Spain, Italy, Yugoslavia, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordania, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and others could be added).
-It's possible create a good numbers of different campaings on this theatre. (Between Turkey and Greece with other allis (BF vs BF), Italy and Spain vs Romania and Bulgaria (BF vs RF), Israel and UK vs Syria and Egypt (BF vs RF), Egypt with Syria and Algeria vs Turkey with Greece and Israel (Big BF vs big RD), Algeria and Tunisia vs Egypt and Libya (RF vs RF), Yugoslavia vs Romania and Bulgaria (RF vs RF), Spain and Italy with Greece vs Egypt with Libya and Algeria (RF vs BF), these are only few examples of the possibilities, knowing that there are a big a mount of countries close one each other on this scenario).
These are my reasons.
I agree with your concept but not your reasoning. The North African factions are not particularly interesting and as Majstor says, most of your conflicts are very odd. Egypt isn't Redfor in the 80s, Spain and Italy aren't soloing an amphibious group into the Black Sea, the UK isn't standing by Israel when the US and France are not. The major fighting in the Med in WW3 is going to be Bulgarian, Soviet and IIRC Romanian forces against Greco-Turkish forces in Thrace, Italian and Austrian forces vs Czech, Hungarian and Soviet forces in Austria, Yugoslavia doing its own thing on either side, that sort of stuff. Nobody gives a toss about Tunisia.
Majstor44 wrote:Turkey and Greece on the same side, hell no
Hell yeah! They were and are both important NATO members defending the alliance's southern flank and the vulnerable Bosporus straights from a Warsaw Pact attack that would allow the Soviet Black Sea Fleet to break out into the Mediterranean and cause all sorts of havoc. Indeed, with only one US aircraft carrier to sink in the area and then a reasonably clear run down the African coast and past the single Exocet launcher defending the straight of Gibraltar, if Greece and Turkey didn't work together the Soviets had a chance of getting a SAG into the Atlantic and destroying the US Army as it crossed to defend Europe.
Much better theater would be Middle east, wars there are happening even today, and it would be cool that Eugen somehow spread the cutoff date even more, so we see more modern units.
Extending the cut-off date will just make the US pull further ahead of everyone, forcing the use of more and more stupid prototypes in an effort to maintain balance. The Mid East is good though.
HrcAk47 wrote:An interesting campaign would be Greece vs. Turkey, during which Greece changes side and joins REDFOR.
Other campaigns that could be made:
Yugoslavia vs. Italy - mountain/littoral combat around Trieste, Isonzo, Istria
Bulgaria vs. Turkey and MEDFOR - attack through the southern border while Black Sea Fleet is locked away in the Southern Med
Yugoslavia + Romania vs. USSR/Pact
Soviet takeover of Bosphorus and Dardanelles
Traditional Israel vs. Arabs.
Aside from making sure that the Arabs fighting Israel are actually 47andrej's Baathist Federation rather than Blufor Egypt and British-friendly Jordan, this is pretty much my dream Med Wargame. Oh, and Greece isn't Redfor per se, just fighting Turkey while Redfor laughs and throws peanuts.
I think this could all be done with only two terrain sets, the same as Red Dragon. One to represent the semi-arid, rocky terrain of Southern Europe and the Levant (with different houses) and one for the greener and more fertile areas of Northern Italy and inland Yugoslavia (with Southern European houses). Red Dragon's desert terrain set can come back with Levantine houses for the Golan heights. You live in the area though, you tell me.
steppewolf wrote:Middle East states have crap stuff
There's enough here for one ANZAC style interesting faction. 8" 10 second FCS wheeled howitzer, Exported T-72AVs, mechanised 100mm AAA, a load of Brazilian stuff for some reason. It's not going to be superb but it'll be able to handle itself with a competent player and if it gets stomped by Israel I guess it's working as intended!
Oh, and Portugal is awesome and should totally come along as a DLC at least!