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Postby Razzmann » Wed 1 Mar 2017 20:23

MARDER wrote:Bad parts rather as you have a second party spiting your soup and threatening you to not pay or withdraw money if you dont do what they want.

Eugen gets blamed in the end.

Good night sweet prince.

You do realize that 90% of the developpers around there just don't have the money to make and market their games? You really have no idea how this works, do you?

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Postby Desty » Wed 1 Mar 2017 20:37

MARDER wrote:Bad parts rather as you have a second party spiting your soup and threatening you to not pay or withdraw money if you dont do what they want.

Eugen gets blamed in the end.

Good night sweet prince.


Please stop it...stop talking about something you have clearly no idea how it works.
You know that Wargame got published by Focus?
So Red Dragon had/has exactly the same risks as the new game...
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Postby MARDER » Wed 1 Mar 2017 20:52

Desty wrote:
MARDER wrote:Bad parts rather as you have a second party spiting your soup and threatening you to not pay or withdraw money if you dont do what they want.

Eugen gets blamed in the end.

Good night sweet prince.


Please stop it...stop talking about something you have clearly no idea how it works.
You know that Wargame got published by Focus?
So Red Dragon had/has exactly the same risks as the new game...



yet EE, ALB,RD didnt fail the other games did.

3 parts confirm success.

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Postby Mike » Fri 3 Mar 2017 06:52

Crowarior wrote:Tiger II confirmed.
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I actually have a list of units that I've picked out from screenshots. :D

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Postby Crowarior » Fri 3 Mar 2017 14:07

Mike wrote:I actually have a list of units that I've picked out from screenshots. :D


Can you pls post it ?

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Postby FrangibleCover » Fri 3 Mar 2017 16:59

Crowarior wrote:
Mike wrote:I actually have a list of units that I've picked out from screenshots. :D

Can you pls post it ?

I'll have a go with mine:

https://imgur.com/a/fqkio
First image: Ju-87
Second image: Shermans (I think Fireflies from the bustle box), Wasp flamethrower vehicles to produce the flames that are visible and the Priests on the left appear to have been defrocked or Kangaroo'd.
Third image: More organic looking infantry and possibly Tetrarchs or Locusts or something.
Fifth image: French 76mm Sherman
Sixth image: Sherman Calliope, StuG of some description, Char B1 burning on the left and in the centre
Seventh image: M10 Tank Destroyer/ Self Propelled Anti Tank Gun
Eighth image: Razorback P-47, the one out front looks like it's not carrying bombs but that could be a LoD thing.
Ninth image: P-51D Mustang Multirole Bomber, L-2 Grasshopper, USS Nevada or Texas. From the icons and some squinting the thing furthest left looks like a Ford GPA 'Seep', which is an odd choice. The AT gun is probably a 57mm, I can't tell what the tank is and the Red vehicle is a Stummel, either a Sd.Kfz. 251/9 or an Sd.Kfz. 250/8, probably the 250 just by how short it looks.

https://www.paradoxplaza.com/steel-division-normandy-44
Spitfire IX is confirmed from the Clostermann skin, Tiger II(H), Jagdpanther, Firefly confirmed for Canada in a screenshot taken just before image 2 above.

http://www.eugensystems.com/steel-division-normandy-44/
Deuce and a Half truck in the first image, looks like it might be the same town as in image 7 above.

The forum background implies the P-38 and the official site http://www.steeldivisiongame.com/?locale=en confirms the Tetrarch. That's all I've got so far.
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Postby Mike » Fri 3 Mar 2017 20:04

FrangibleCover wrote:
Crowarior wrote:
Mike wrote:I actually have a list of units that I've picked out from screenshots. :D

Can you pls post it ?

I'll have a go with mine:

https://imgur.com/a/fqkio
First image: Ju-87
Second image: Shermans (I think Fireflies from the bustle box), Wasp flamethrower vehicles to produce the flames that are visible and the Priests on the left appear to have been defrocked or Kangaroo'd.
Third image: More organic looking infantry and possibly Tetrarchs or Locusts or something.
Fifth image: French 76mm Sherman
Sixth image: Sherman Calliope, StuG of some description, Char B1 burning on the left and in the centre
Seventh image: M10 Tank Destroyer/ Self Propelled Anti Tank Gun
Eighth image: Razorback P-47, the one out front looks like it's not carrying bombs but that could be a LoD thing.
Ninth image: P-51D Mustang Multirole Bomber, L-2 Grasshopper, USS Nevada or Texas. From the icons and some squinting the thing furthest left looks like a Ford GPA 'Seep', which is an odd choice. The AT gun is probably a 57mm, I can't tell what the tank is and the Red vehicle is a Stummel, either a Sd.Kfz. 251/9 or an Sd.Kfz. 250/8, probably the 250 just by how short it looks.

https://www.paradoxplaza.com/steel-division-normandy-44
Spitfire IX is confirmed from the Clostermann skin, Tiger II(H), Jagdpanther, Firefly confirmed for Canada in a screenshot taken just before image 2 above.

http://www.eugensystems.com/steel-division-normandy-44/
Deuce and a Half truck in the first image, looks like it might be the same town as in image 7 above.

The forum background implies the P-38 and the official site http://www.steeldivisiongame.com/?locale=en confirms the Tetrarch. That's all I've got so far.


That's about what I have. I don't have my list with me at the moment. It's pencil and paper. Old school man.
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Postby hansbroger » Sat 4 Mar 2017 18:53

Pretty sure those are Tetrarchs in the bridge pic with the Horsa gliders
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Postby Crowarior » Sat 4 Mar 2017 19:36

Also, if you zoom on inf on the bridge same guy is carrying AT/MG so we can assume that inf mechanic will stay the same as in WG ? :( Not happy if that's true.

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Postby FrangibleCover » Sat 4 Mar 2017 21:11

hansbroger wrote:Pretty sure those are Tetrarchs in the bridge pic with the Horsa gliders

Most likely. It's just amazing to me how they got the terrain around Pegasus Bridge wrong, it's not as though it's an under-studied aspect of the campaign :lol: .
https://i.imgur.com/DC16zEX.png
  • Horsas incorrectly spaced and angled.
  • Horsas on the wrong side of the canal and bridge. (Bridge opens the other way, no Orne river visible in the background)
  • Horsas not in an area of boggy low ground, possibly forgivable since they're in the wrong place.
  • The bridge looks weird, I think the roadway is too wide. I'll give them that one though, it's probably a pathfinding thing.
  • No Cafe Gondree, the first building in France to be liberated and today... still a functioning Cafe run by a woman who remembers the Ox and Bucks coming in the door.
  • The wing of a fourth Horsa protruding into shot on the right.
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There's a picture of the gliders on the ground. Note that in the full scale one the other three Horsas are miles away from Pegasus Bridge.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@49.24191 ... a=!3m1!1e3
Here's the google maps result for it, note that the Cafe Gondree is still there. There's also a visible Horsa glider (a reproduction) and you can see the path and the markers where the gliders landed to the South of the bridge. Streetview shows the elevation change nicely.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Eugen ... 49.2423492
There's the 3 hour drive from the Eugen offices to the bridge and the excellent visitor centre, which is not a totally unreasonable day trip like the Kanmon Straits might have been :mrgreen:.

I'm sorry Devs, you guys do a good job most of the time but when you claim that the game is going to be built around actual photographs of Normandy from the period and everything's going to be as realistic as you can possibly make it, then you present something that's recognisable enough for me to know it looks wrong in your initial promo shots, you've got to expect someone to pick you up on it. I understand that terrain gets changed for balance reasons and that if you kept the block system the Cafe Gondree would be too small to function correctly or whyever you've done things the way you've done them. Just don't talk up the realism while you do it.
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