FrangibleCover wrote:Mako wrote:Razzmann wrote:I'm gonna be the dick here.
If Germany and / or France had gotten (a) Hawk variant(s), people would have complained about them getting (a) worthless unit(s) (like the Sonderwagen III for example, which adds nothing to Germany or EC, not even in Cat C motorised) because the Roland 3 is better and would always be taken over the Hawk(s).
It's a copy paste though, not a worthless new model.
Isn't the Sonderwagen III just a reskinned Saladin in the recon tab? Rag on the Milan Iltis if you like though.
Since I don't remember the last time I looked at any of the above units I honestly don't know.
Edit: Yes, it's the same unit. At least the hawk is plausibly useful unlike this thing. Why would you ever take it with the luchs is around?
Right now it's like the Pansarbil, but so much worse.
You pay 5 pts more for the Sonderwagen III and you get:
-the m2 Browning
-70% the rate of fire
-15% stabs to no stabs at all
buuuuut you get
+1AV to two FAV
+4 suppression (yes, literally 4 more)
+five percent accuracy (35 instead of 30)
+5 AP, but you get a HEAT gun instead of KE.
The Sonderwagon (and its 5 pts cheaper non recon clone the saladin) are worse at the same price, let alone five points more.
(Shocking right? Terrible vehicles are terrible!)
But they don't have to be.
For the L5A1: ROF to 9, and HE to 3 (this is if we don't want to worry about making it too good, just not utter garbage)
For the L23A1 (which is on the Scorpions from UK/ANZ, the m113FSV, the Cougar, one of the V150s) accuracy to 40, HE to 3.
Still not great but now they'd actually have some kind of purpose.