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Re: Leave no man behind: WGermany

Postby nuke92 » Thu 9 Mar 2017 18:00

Lol the paper dragons could have received some more nice toys in this dlc.
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Postby Markenzwieback » Thu 9 Mar 2017 19:33

nuke92 wrote:Lol the paper dragons could have received some more nice toys in this dlc.

They got the K9 and the wheeled AGL transport. That helped them out quite a bit.

But almost every coalition could (or rather should) have received some further additions.
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Re: Leave no man behind: WGermany

Postby FrangibleCover » Thu 9 Mar 2017 19:55

Nathan des Lessings wrote:
Mike wrote:I agree the Eurofighter and PzH 2000 should've been in game.

like basically everyone, exept eugen

Well, for the Eurofighter there's me. It shouldn't be in game, the advanced Su-27s shouldn't be in game, the Gripen shouldn't be in game, the advanced F-16s shouldn't be in game apart from the Block 52, the Barak II (with downgraded Derbys) and the KF-16 Block 52D and the KF-16 should be ARMs and Sidewinders only with the AMRAAM/ARM loadout on the American one (as a CJ), the Finnish Hornet and MiG-29 shouldn't be in game, the Baz Meshupar shouldn't be in game and the Novi Avion sure as hell shouldn't be in game. Rejoice as the KWS becomes a top-tier fighter.

Similarly every single top-tier superheavy in game shouldn't be. They're all prototypes and they're included to balanced against each other. In Red Dragon Eugen lost track of what the prototype system was supposed to do: Fill in true capability gaps and provide flavourful What If scenarios.

Take the UK's ground based air defences as an example. In real life they were pretty poor in comparison with the Soviet Union or West Germany. In ALB they were terrible against helicopters, although the Rapiers were decent against aircraft, so the UK was given the prototype Falcon SPAAG because they had no other SPAAG options and there was still a reliance on suicide Sea Harriers or allies to kill Hinds. MANPADS options were terrible. In RD the UK received the prototype Chieftain Marksman, the prototype Challenger Marksman and the rather far OOTF prototype Stormer HVM. The UK's ground based ADN is now 50% prototypes, unrealistically capable against helicopters, unflavourful and doesn't use the upgrades that were actually put in place in the late 1980s to counteract the known deficiencies. What the UK should have gotten was Starburst infantry, Tracked Rapier FSB2 and prototype Chieftain Marksman. It's a notably worse lineup but it's realistically poor and between Marksman and ADATS it would be acceptable in the coalition.
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Postby HrcAk47 » Thu 9 Mar 2017 19:57

Markenzwieback wrote:
nuke92 wrote:Lol the paper dragons could have received some more nice toys in this dlc.

They got the K9 and the wheeled AGL transport. That helped them out quite a bit.

But almost every coalition could (or rather should) have received some further additions.


Red Dragons seem paperier :mrgreen:

That having been said, at least their air forces can be brought back in order with no modelling issues. Su-27SMK looks exactly the same like existing Su-27SK, and MiG-29 9.13 looks like existing MiG-29 9.12B.
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Re: Leave no man behind: WGermany

Postby Nathan des Lessings » Thu 9 Mar 2017 20:33

FrangibleCover wrote:
Nathan des Lessings wrote:
Mike wrote:I agree the Eurofighter and PzH 2000 should've been in game.

like basically everyone, exept eugen

Well, for the Eurofighter there's me. It shouldn't be in game, the advanced Su-27s shouldn't be in game, the Gripen shouldn't be in game, the advanced F-16s shouldn't be in game apart from the Block 52, the Barak II (with downgraded Derbys) and the KF-16 Block 52D and the KF-16 should be ARMs and Sidewinders only with the AMRAAM/ARM loadout on the American one (as a CJ), the Finnish Hornet and MiG-29 shouldn't be in game, the Baz Meshupar shouldn't be in game and the Novi Avion sure as hell shouldn't be in game. Rejoice as the KWS becomes a top-tier fighter.

Similarly every single top-tier superheavy in game shouldn't be. They're all prototypes and they're included to balanced against each other. In Red Dragon Eugen lost track of what the prototype system was supposed to do: Fill in true capability gaps and provide flavourful What If scenarios.

Take the UK's ground based air defences as an example. In real life they were pretty poor in comparison with the Soviet Union or West Germany. In ALB they were terrible against helicopters, although the Rapiers were decent against aircraft, so the UK was given the prototype Falcon SPAAG because they had no other SPAAG options and there was still a reliance on suicide Sea Harriers or allies to kill Hinds. MANPADS options were terrible. In RD the UK received the prototype Chieftain Marksman, the prototype Challenger Marksman and the rather far OOTF prototype Stormer HVM. The UK's ground based ADN is now 50% prototypes, unrealistically capable against helicopters, unflavourful and doesn't use the upgrades that were actually put in place in the late 1980s to counteract the known deficiencies. What the UK should have gotten was Starburst infantry, Tracked Rapier FSB2 and prototype Chieftain Marksman. It's a notably worse lineup but it's realistically poor and between Marksman and ADATS it would be acceptable in the coalition.


Well yes that another way to go, and could be hopefully implemented in normandy 44, in a realistic way.
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Re: Leave no man behind: WGermany

Postby nuke92 » Thu 9 Mar 2017 20:34

Markenzwieback wrote:
nuke92 wrote:Lol the paper dragons could have received some more nice toys in this dlc.

They got the K9 and the wheeled AGL transport. That helped them out quite a bit.

But almost every coalition could (or rather should) have received some further additions.


Mmh they are okayish, their infantry is much better than most people realise.

However do you really think I meant blue dragons?
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But yes I hope there will be some new stuff for most of the old coalitions but highly unlikely.
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Re: Leave no man behind: WGermany

Postby Nathan des Lessings » Thu 9 Mar 2017 21:11

nuke92 wrote:But yes I hope there will be some new stuff for most of the old coalitions but highly unlikely.

maybe a final surprise
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Re: Leave no man behind: WGermany

Postby urogard » Fri 10 Mar 2017 00:55

Well one could hope for that eternal power creep to just stop ...

But that doesn't sell as well apparently.

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Re: Leave no man behind: WGermany

Postby Nathan des Lessings » Thu 23 Mar 2017 16:31

urogard wrote:Well one could hope for that eternal power creep to just stop ...

But that doesn't sell as well apparently.


sadly :(
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