SU-24 SEAD, some love?

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby wargamer1985 » Sun 5 Mar 2017 18:43

HrcAk47 wrote:+10 for RWR (check, SPO-10)
+10 for chaff/flare (check, Automat-F)
+10 for pre-85 jammers/+20 for post-85 jammers (check, Geran-F, pretty powerful but let's say pre-85)
+10 if it's a SEAD plane (which it is).

A conservative estimate puts Su-24 at 40 ECM. In Cat-C.

Currently, some planes (big ones like C-Eagle, D-Eagle, F-18, Tiffy, Rafale) have magical stats (50% ECM) that can not be justified in any way. And EF-111 Raven exists.

So, with that in mind, the Su-24 can have any amount of ECM, really.

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic, or serious.

+1 to 3/2 availability though.
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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby HrcAk47 » Sun 5 Mar 2017 18:47

That's just the base ECM suite, there's also the ECM pods for specific missions, SEAD being just one of them.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby Karenin » Sun 5 Mar 2017 19:11

HrcAk47 wrote:As for Stinger C being 70% acc (whole 15% more than Igla), thats a whole different load of bovine excrement.


Its 5% for the same range. The "bovine excrement" is why Igla should have more range. I now get the salt meme because there is no way out for you right?

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby wargamer1985 » Sun 5 Mar 2017 19:22

HrcAk47 wrote:That's just the base ECM suite, there's also the ECM pods for specific missions, SEAD being just one of them.

And what makes that feature unique to the Su-24?
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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby HrcAk47 » Sun 5 Mar 2017 19:34

wargamer1985 wrote:
HrcAk47 wrote:That's just the base ECM suite, there's also the ECM pods for specific missions, SEAD being just one of them.

And what makes that feature unique to the Su-24?


Oh, not unique whatsoever. I just want fair ECM to where ECM is due.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby wargamer1985 » Mon 6 Mar 2017 03:09

HrcAk47 wrote:
wargamer1985 wrote:
HrcAk47 wrote:That's just the base ECM suite, there's also the ECM pods for specific missions, SEAD being just one of them.

And what makes that feature unique to the Su-24?


Oh, not unique whatsoever. I just want fair ECM to where ECM is due.

Fair ECM in accordance to what? A arbitrary system, or realism?
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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby HrcAk47 » Mon 6 Mar 2017 03:17

wargamer1985 wrote:Fair ECM in accordance to what? A arbitrary system, or realism?


Fair ECM according to the rules of ECM assignment that all other planes presently in the game abide to.

Which is:

+10 for RWR
+10 for chaff/flare
+10 for jammer (+10 extra for big/modern jammer)
+10 to SEAD or otherwise magical
+10 if you are an EF-111 Raven

for a total absolute maximum of 60% ECM.

Of which, base Su-24 fulfills criteria for at least 40% ECM.

Or are you implying that there should be different standards for REDFOR planes?
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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby wargamer1985 » Mon 6 Mar 2017 07:49

HrcAk47 wrote:
wargamer1985 wrote:Fair ECM in accordance to what? A arbitrary system, or realism?


Fair ECM according to the rules of ECM assignment that all other planes presently in the game abide to.

Which is:

+10 for RWR
+10 for chaff/flare
+10 for jammer (+10 extra for big/modern jammer)
+10 to SEAD or otherwise magical
+10 if you are an EF-111 Raven

for a total absolute maximum of 60% ECM.

Of which, base Su-24 fulfills criteria for at least 40% ECM.

Or are you implying that there should be different standards for REDFOR planes?

Why your feel it necessary to result to a Strawman, I fail to understand. I think with your system you are severely underestimating the importance of modern systems over simply "big" ones, this is mostly why the EF-111A get 60% ECM and most top-tier jets get 50%.
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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby GARGEAN » Mon 6 Mar 2017 08:04

wargamer1985 wrote:Why your feel it necessary to result to a Strawman, I fail to understand. I think with your system you are severely underestimating the importance of modern systems over simply "big" ones, this is mostly why the EF-111A get 60% ECM and most top-tier jets get 50%.

Why you're trying again to shitpost and argue about absolutely clear things? You want to say that Su-24s ECM is not undermodelled? Or that some blue planes, like EF-111A, don't have enough? What's your point besides "you are wrong! "?

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby molnibalage » Mon 6 Mar 2017 09:02

HrcAk47 wrote:Currently, some planes (big ones like C-Eagle, D-Eagle, F-18, Tiffy, Rafale) have magical stats (50% ECM) that can not be justified in any way. And EF-111 Raven exists.

So, with that in mind, the Su-24 can have any amount of ECM, really.

If you wish to see magical stats I recommed to check USSR AIR tab and almost all YUG units...

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