SU-24 SEAD, some love?

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby molnibalage » Wed 8 Mar 2017 08:33

HrcAk47 wrote:
Make a list what's wrong, and post it. Internalizing grief will only lead to a chronic illness. :mrgreen:

I have done it... Many times...


No, Red jets do not get full loadouts much more than the western ones do. Not even Yugo gets full loads. I mean, we can totally do a variant of Orao with 8x FAB-275M-91 thermobarics, or the one with 5x FAB-500. Or we can do Su-24M with 3xFAB-1500. That one is really neat.

Should I make another list about this...?

And if you wanna talk about performance drops, what will you do about a F-4D Peace Pheasant I which flies just as good as all other F-4 phantoms... even though it carries 25 bombs and all the necessary pylons for them?

Yes, it is also funny and has such "real" loadout as Su-24 or Il-102...

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby Steamfunk » Wed 8 Mar 2017 09:15

So, if Raven is "realistic" in the game, why not add in a Su-24MP? On which we can "realistically" add in 12 SEAD missiles? 60 ECM, heck yes!


The MiG-25BM is based on the RB, which has only 20% in-game and the Jaguar A has 30%, which is the same as the Gr. 3. Also there's only basic information on ECM systems such as bandwidth and power consumption. There are a few anecdotes but not much evidence, so it's a question of estimation and (here comes the magic word), balance.

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby molnibalage » Wed 8 Mar 2017 10:00

HrcAk47 wrote:So, if Raven is "realistic" in the game, why not add in a Su-24MP? On which we can "realistically" add in 12 SEAD missiles? 60 ECM, heck yes!
Also If I remember correctly, Raven and Prowler use the same ECM suite. Why the difference in ECM?


1. None of blue jets have unrael qty. of ARMs except the EF-111. Eugen in ALB era decided not to use era or any tag so the used the SOJ Raven to have SEAD. But it has only two ARMs...

2. Nope, they do not because of a single fact. EA-6B can carry even 4x ECM pod...

Also, lol at Electric Voodoo's 50 ECM. It uses an ECM suite from EB-57E Canberra. A Canberra. From the 50s.

I'm against such fantasy jets as electirc Vodoo, but this was Eugen's decision not mine...
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So, if Raven is "realistic" in the game, why not add in a Su-24MP? On which we can "realistically" add in 12 SEAD missiles? 60 ECM, heck yes!

The MiG-25BM is based on the RB, which has only 20% in-game and the Jaguar A has 30%, which is the same as the Gr. 3. Also there's only basic information on ECM systems such as bandwidth and power consumption. There are a few anecdotes but not much evidence, so it's a question of estimation and (here comes the magic word), balance.

Yes, HrcAk47 does not care about how strong buff got the BM, and also forget about MIG-29 ECM values comparing to F-16s...

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby thenosh » Wed 8 Mar 2017 10:44

Is the Su24 Sead really in need of a buff? Honestly I like where it is for this price.
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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby molnibalage » Wed 8 Mar 2017 10:47

thenosh wrote:Is the Su24 Sead really in need of a buff? Honestly I like where it is for this price.

+10 ECM is acceptable request.

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby thenosh » Wed 8 Mar 2017 11:11

Better buff the Su22 Seads before the su24. I honestly don't care that much about ecm, even on a Sead. I try to avoid missiles in the first place.
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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby molnibalage » Wed 8 Mar 2017 11:14

thenosh wrote:Better buff the Su22 Seads before the su24. I honestly don't care that much about ecm, even on a Sead. I try to avoid missiles in the first place.

Buff what? Speed? ECM? ACC? Range?

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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby Steamfunk » Wed 8 Mar 2017 11:35

I meant Gr. 1B for the Jaguar. Also there are the Sea Harrier, Feibao and Su-22M4P at 40% ECM, although the Feibao doesn't get any bonus either.

On the Ayit - the Israeli Skyhawks were shot down by SAMs, and I think the only model at that time was the A-4E, which doesn't have an RWR. The Nesher might have had one, the F-4E definitely did and I suppose the Kurnass is carrying one of the US or Israeli pods, so that checks out. But the Su-24 has internal jammers and all the other equipment the Skyhawk lacks, such as a target designator.
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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby thenosh » Thu 9 Mar 2017 14:23

molnibalage wrote:
thenosh wrote:Better buff the Su22 Seads before the su24. I honestly don't care that much about ecm, even on a Sead. I try to avoid missiles in the first place.

Buff what? Speed? ECM? ACC? Range?


Anything helps basically. I would preferably see a Buff speed in order to SOMEWHAT compensate the bad turning rate.
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Re: SU-24 SEAD, some love?

Postby Seryn » Tue 14 Mar 2017 22:49

Steamfunk wrote:
Note he only listed Blue planes. No RED planes. Not even a Yugo Fairy.


The F-4G has 40% ECM and that doesn't exactly break the game.


My point was he only was angry about BLU planes. No Reds. No Yugos.

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