Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

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Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby Comrade_Bane » Tue 14 Mar 2017 22:46

Finnish has 50% ECM
American has 40% ECM

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Re: Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby Mike » Tue 14 Mar 2017 22:53

Comrade_Bane wrote:Finnish has 50% ECM
American has 40% ECM

Lemme guess: "Flavour"


Let's ask our aircraft overload.

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Re: Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby Seryn » Tue 14 Mar 2017 23:05

Mike wrote:
Comrade_Bane wrote:Finnish has 50% ECM
American has 40% ECM

Lemme guess: "Flavour"


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Re: Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby captaincarnage » Tue 14 Mar 2017 23:15

It's been a well established fact that Murica makes superior versions of its aircraft for export purposes whilest ensuring that the planes its pilots get to play with remain firmly stuck in Cat B and with poorly optimized loadouts.

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Re: Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby Xeno426 » Tue 14 Mar 2017 23:26

Mike wrote:
Comrade_Bane wrote:Finnish has 50% ECM
American has 40% ECM

Lemme guess: "Flavour"


Let's ask our aircraft overload.

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Pretty much arbitrary and "it's a post 1991 prototype". I'm unaware of any changes to the ECM suite for the Finnish export F/A-18s that the F/A-18C didn't have.
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Re: Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby Adarius » Tue 14 Mar 2017 23:59

Xeno426 wrote:
Mike wrote:
Comrade_Bane wrote:Finnish has 50% ECM
American has 40% ECM

Lemme guess: "Flavour"


Let's ask our aircraft overload.

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Pretty much arbitrary and "it's a post 1991 prototype". I'm unaware of any changes to the ECM suite for the Finnish export F/A-18s that the F/A-18C didn't have.


I looked into this a bit as it seemed very uncharacteristic of Finland to make any major modifications when procuring equipment. Finland has always been very efficient and favoring out of the box solutions which tend to make Swedes green with envy as our procurement agency always delay things with modifications. The best explanation I could find was actually Wikipedia which mention that the F-18C was delivered with the ALQ-165 Airborne-Self-Protection-Jammer based on a reference not unavailable online. I have never paid much attention to USA in the game and does not know their aircraft configurations in real life by heart either.

So I have no idea if The F/A-18 versions used by USA also should have the jammer as well. But the best justification I can come up with would be that the F-18C got the ALQ-165 while the American configurations of the F/A-18 does not.

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Re: Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby Mike » Wed 15 Mar 2017 00:09

Seryn wrote:
Mike wrote:
Comrade_Bane wrote:Finnish has 50% ECM
American has 40% ECM

Lemme guess: "Flavour"


Let's ask our aircraft overload.

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Re: Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby Comrade_Bane » Wed 15 Mar 2017 01:01

Xeno426 wrote:
Mike wrote:
Comrade_Bane wrote:Finnish has 50% ECM
American has 40% ECM

Lemme guess: "Flavour"


Let's ask our aircraft overload.

Xeno426 wrote: PING

Pretty much arbitrary and "it's a post 1991 prototype". I'm unaware of any changes to the ECM suite for the Finnish export F/A-18s that the F/A-18C didn't have.


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Re: Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby wargamer1985 » Wed 15 Mar 2017 06:22

Xeno426 wrote:
Mike wrote:
Comrade_Bane wrote:Finnish has 50% ECM
American has 40% ECM

Lemme guess: "Flavour"


Let's ask our aircraft overload.

Xeno426 wrote: PING

Pretty much arbitrary and "it's a post 1991 prototype". I'm unaware of any changes to the ECM suite for the Finnish export F/A-18s that the F/A-18C didn't have.

Between the period if the F/A-18C's introduction and the year 1991, there were no major ECM or similar upgrades to the F/A-18C lineage. There were a few proposed ideas (including the integration of jammers near the wing root in order to provide a E/A-6B-ish performance, alas, such a design never came to fruition as it was considered redundant and newer blocks of Hornets were classified as more important.) But none of these proposals ever made it past the drawing board, due to enthusiasm within the Air Force for newer aircraft (in fact, that was one of the leading motives behind designing the Super Hornet, we wanted a comprehensive package instead of smaller upgrades as not only did it perform better, but it sold better as well).
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Re: Why does the Finnish F/A-18C Have better ECM?

Postby Adarius » Wed 15 Mar 2017 13:01

I did some further checks and it look like the Finnish F-18C got the AN/ALQ-165 while the game designers have decided to not include it on the American F/A-18C. This make sense as the AN/ALQ-165 was ordered and installed on all Finnish F-18C while the US Navy first cancelled the procurement for the F/A-18C/D but later decided to purchase it for three squadrons after a F-16 was shot down over Bosnia in 1995.

The Block I F/A-18E/F also carry the AN/ALQ-165 while later versions got the AN/ALQ-214.

http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_fighters/f18_18.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... lq-165.htm
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fu ... BFB48C75A8
http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabili ... fault.aspx
http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fu ... BFB48C75A8

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