West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby chykka » Fri 18 Aug 2017 23:56

The Kpz 70 could get a offroad speed buff, I think it was 60 km/h you might be able to stay true to the units engine to make it 65 or more. Wiki says 69 km/h but still maybe that's a good case maybe pushing it if you make it 70km/h
Which is nice for tanks with auto cannons. If you buff the Keiler speed though you can't really forget the Mbt-70 from USA either.\ unless the engine was changed.
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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Steamfunk » Sat 19 Aug 2017 03:47

The Leo 2 and 2A1 should both have about 17 or 18 FAV. I know they've done this with other tanks but it really stands out here.

I like the comparison of 2A1 with the 95pt Mag'ach even more.


The Magach is absurd - that's an M60 with some kind of box armour on the front. Here are some estimates -

Turret: 360-380mm Glacis: 400-430mm


And for the Leo 2 -

Turret: 410-570mm Lower hull: circa 500mm


http://www.btvt.narod.ru/raznoe/leopard2/Leo2a4.htm

If you average the armour of the Magach it comes to slightly less than 400mm, which is about 15 FAV. That makes sense because it's probably similar to the MEXAS.

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby urogard » Sat 19 Aug 2017 11:25

Capion wrote:
cuski wrote:How about optical mode for Roland?


Nah, dont need it. If you play WGerman or part-WGerman decks alot you get either very good at AA-micro or you kys.

Tbh, I think since the time I found out one can actually dodge the SEAD missiles, I haven't lost more than 2 or 3 units to the KA-52 in like 1.5 years.

And ever since the Akula lost its 2975m range, I don't consider WGermany(+NL/DK) to be in a "tough" spot at all with regards to their non-radar options.

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby HrcAk47 » Sat 19 Aug 2017 14:32

Steamfunk wrote:The Leo 2 and 2A1 should both have about 17 or 18 FAV. I know they've done this with other tanks but it really stands out here.

I like the comparison of 2A1 with the 95pt Mag'ach even more.


The Magach is absurd - that's an M60 with some kind of box armour on the front. Here are some estimates -

Turret: 360-380mm Glacis: 400-430mm


And for the Leo 2 -

Turret: 410-570mm Lower hull: circa 500mm


http://www.btvt.narod.ru/raznoe/leopard2/Leo2a4.htm

If you average the armour of the Magach it comes to slightly less than 400mm, which is about 15 FAV. That makes sense because it's probably similar to the MEXAS.


lol, at that scale T-72M1 should be 16-17 FAV too.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Steamfunk » Sat 19 Aug 2017 16:35

lol, at that scale T-72M1 should be 16-17 FAV too.


Figures for the T-72A/M1 -

Turret: 380mm Glacis: 335/400mm


T-72B -

Turret: 540mm Glacis: 485mm

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Sigirdiwarth » Sat 19 Aug 2017 17:21

The only thing wger needs is faster reload speed on the rolands, everything else is on a scale from fine to overpowered.

And a better airforce I guess.
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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby HrcAk47 » Sat 19 Aug 2017 18:03

Steamfunk wrote:
lol, at that scale T-72M1 should be 16-17 FAV too.


Figures for the T-72A/M1 -

Turret: 380mm Glacis: 335/400mm


T-72B -

Turret: 540mm Glacis: 485mm


Incorrect.

T-72M1 turret thickness is 410 mm at 45 degrees. Turret contains 130 mm thick inserts. While the hull front armor is 231 mm (16mm HHS + 60 mm RHA + 105 mm textolite + 50 mm RHA at 68 degrees).

I have no idea how you got such thickness, but your numbers are way off.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Steamfunk » Sat 19 Aug 2017 19:23

I have no idea how you got such thickness, but your numbers are way off.


The figures I posted are RHAe vs KE, not the LOS value. Steel armour performs less well against APFSDS, for composites the opposite is true.

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby chykka » Sat 19 Aug 2017 19:44

I dunno I think the Tornado's and F4s are pretty good,
I think the problem lies with the infantry. I compare too maybe East Germany, Mot Shutzen. The 90s have trade offs and the pre 90s are actually better\ in some regards.

Now Jager and Panzer Grens have never been 'balanced' they left them as they were and just added too both 5 points which makes a wgermany have both overpriced Line and Shock infantry.
They are good yeah, but Stormer for example are shock and are priced like shock. Jager could get Blindicide(if they had a 90s version), like reservists. It's not like Fuches is 5 points, that's why people just go Coalition because they have these weird prices and they can fill the increments with other infantry.

Unlike in Alb you only got Wgermany or mixed nato, so really it was still strong with some weakness but felt stronger as a stand alone nation even without some of the new units.
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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Steamfunk » Sat 19 Aug 2017 20:37

Jager could get Blindicide(if they had a 90s version), like reservists.


Blindicide was just a Bazooka clone, it was outdated in the 50s. The Pzf 3 would be more appropriate but that would cause more tears than the LAW 80. Best to leave things as they are in that department..

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