Oktoberfest wrote:Wait what ? A 1969 BMP-1 with 73mm main gun has more HEAT power than an AMX-30 with a 105mm Obus G in game ???? What the FUCK???
Always with the French stuff from you!
It's my favorite Nation, I've never made a secret about it. Of course, I compare said nation to the treatment received by other Nations. Here I see a1969 73mm HEAT round with 280-350 mm penetration at 700 m (okay distance doesn't play a role with HEAT) outmatch the 400 mm penetration of the OCC 105 F1 from the french tank by 35% in the game ! I mean, it has 12 AP which in game is 360 mm penetration (1 AP / 30mm penetration). So that's very accurate. But in this case, the Obus G should have 400/30 = AP13. Which means slightly better performance, as intended, but at a longer distance. Which seems logical for the F1 main gun of the AMX-30.
Obus G was great... in 60s and early 70s. After that, not so much.
Who the hell uses the 1969 BMP?
The BMP-1 is the workhorse of many Redfor Nations and the stats are shared between nearly all of them (all have AP12 HEAT, IIRC). The Obus G does not get weaker with its penetration as the times passes, and given the fact that the AMX-30B should mainly face T-55/T-62 and early T-72 in game, I tell you that it matters a friggin lot to a french deck player like me!
13AP allows it to deal much more efficiently vs all kind of hard targets, and it would bring it to a better level for the "glass canon doctrine" so loved by the french cavalry.
amx is a more or less completely forgotten legacy unit from ee that has had very little changes to it throughout the series.
With that in mind:
1) is the obi g made at around the same date as the amx-30
2) would giving it a higher ap and a higher pricetag make it better at it's job
3) is this one of the bigger concerns to the state of balance/gameplay of red dragon
The Obus G, IIRC, was introduced with the AMX-30, as the round was specifically designed for the gun. It was the best HEAT round for a 105mm gun at the time, having an excellent penetration and an excellent precision for a HEAT round at 2000m at the time.
I know it's a relic from EE and god, I'd like to have the french tanks reworked to their real stats instead of having to rely on the unicorns that are the AMX-32 and AMX-40. I've written extensively about french ammunitions in the past, and of course, having the tanks with following APs (all of them justified) would be heaven in the game. This statement does not mean other nations don't need the exact same treatment, though!!!
AMX13/75 - 7 AP KE - PCOT-51P APCBC-T
AMX13/90: 10 AP HEAT - OCC90mmEMP Mle62
AMX-30/30B - 13 AP HEAT - Obus G
AMX-30B2 - 15 AP KE - OFL105G2
AMX-30B2 Brennus - 18AP KE - OFL105F2
Leclerc - 20AP KE - OFL120F1
You'll get a streamlined french tank line, prototypes are part of the deck with the Brennus, but not abused like with the AMX-32 and AMX-40, and the Leclerc does not brake the game by using the OFL120F2.