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Armor and penetrations

Posted: Fri 17 Mar 2017 19:24
by Temujin
Hi!

How is the penetration system going to work? In the wargame series, armor and penetration values had to be created under a numerical system, mostly because actual specs of the vehicles are still secret. But when it comes to WWII, every millimeter value of every armor is know, every penetration value of any shell and gun is know; so can we expect a fully realistic system? Will tanks and guns have armor and penetration values set under a metric system and be faithful to it? Or are we still getting normalized numerical values to illustrate them?

Thank you

Re: Armor and penetrations

Posted: Sat 18 Mar 2017 04:52
by Grabbed_by_the_Spets
I'd imagine it'd be a touch more precise compared to Wargame due to actual data being commonly found, and not just estimates like most moderntanks are.

Re: Armor and penetrations

Posted: Sat 18 Mar 2017 08:13
by Mike
Well, the NDA and all means those of us who have an idea, can't tell. :P

Re: Armor and penetrations

Posted: Sat 18 Mar 2017 09:45
by FrangibleCover
I'd imagine it's on an arbitrary number system like Wargame for the same reason as Wargame was: It allows fudging of handheld AT stats to make them more competitive under the justification that they can aim for weak points in the armour. This argument only gets more necessary and more true with anti-tank rifles.

Re: Armor and penetrations

Posted: Sat 18 Mar 2017 13:12
by Bougnas
From what I heard SD will use a sort of dynamic pen system based on authentic values that will model ricochets.

All weapons will be able to shoot at any armor value to supress the target but they won't do any damage if they don't have the power to penetrate the armor. However once there's a penetration the vehicle will apparently be disabled.
This allows less powerful guns such as the 37mm M3 (stuart, Locust, M8 Greyhound) or the german 2.8cm squeezebore AT rifle s.Pzb 41 to take out a rather heavy vehicle with side or rearshots.

Re: Armor and penetrations

Posted: Sun 19 Mar 2017 22:29
by Mike
FrangibleCover wrote:I'd imagine it's on an arbitrary number system like Wargame for the same reason as Wargame was: It allows fudging of handheld AT stats to make them more competitive under the justification that they can aim for weak points in the armour. This argument only gets more necessary and more true with anti-tank rifles.


The AP bonus to handheld AT is to represent targeting weak spots in the tank's armor. I think.

Re: Armor and penetrations

Posted: Mon 20 Mar 2017 00:30
by FrangibleCover
Mike wrote:
FrangibleCover wrote:under the justification that they can aim for weak points in the armour.

The AP bonus to handheld AT is to represent targeting weak spots in the tank's armor. I think.

It's been a long day for me too. Anyway, that's what I remember being said about it and because it doesn't relate at all to the work I have to hand in on Tuesday I can remember it pretty perfectly :D .


:cry:

Re: Armor and penetrations

Posted: Mon 20 Mar 2017 06:13
by Mike
FrangibleCover wrote:
Mike wrote:
FrangibleCover wrote:under the justification that they can aim for weak points in the armour.

The AP bonus to handheld AT is to represent targeting weak spots in the tank's armor. I think.

It's been a long day for me too. Anyway, that's what I remember being said about it and because it doesn't relate at all to the work I have to hand in on Tuesday I can remember it pretty perfectly :D .


:cry:


Long day? I'm still going into the night! :lol: :(

Re: Armor and penetrations

Posted: Mon 20 Mar 2017 23:49
by Object199
Mike wrote:Well, the NDA and all means those of us who have an idea, can't tell. :P


Just wait for the gameplay stream on wednesday, then can you claim to have stopped the stream to check every frame a thousand times to get every single AP, AV and range value, instead of "leaking" them. :lol:

Edit: https://twitter.com/SteelDivGame/status ... 9515206659

Re: Armor and penetrations

Posted: Tue 21 Mar 2017 17:45
by Mike
Object199 wrote:
Mike wrote:Well, the NDA and all means those of us who have an idea, can't tell. :P


Just wait for the gameplay stream on wednesday, then can you claim to have stopped the stream to check every frame a thousand times to get every single AP, AV and range value, instead of "leaking" them. :lol:

Edit: https://twitter.com/SteelDivGame/status ... 9515206659


You won't have to try that hard.