Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby wargamer1985 » Thu 20 Feb 2014 10:09

Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:Whenever I face an American player I'm basically drowning in Bradley's.

I still drown in BMP-3's against a Russian player though.

I f**king hate them both.

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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby shomu1 » Thu 20 Feb 2014 10:10

Kin-Luu wrote:
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RangerPL wrote:To use Drang's catchphrase, "lolwut?"

The more expensive BMP-3 is far less likely to be seen in numbers than the Bradley, especially since the Soviets have plenty of cheap IFV options for volleying ATGMs at the enemy.


We apparently play in different crowds...I rarely see bradleys, but see a lot of bmp3 from team mates (I rarely play Nato). That smoothbore gun on the bmp3 is worth it's weight in gold.


I can confirm this statement.

If the BMP-3 has to use its AC, something went wrong, and most likely you are already in big trouble.

You buy BMP-3s because of their six 2800m ATGMs and their infantry destroying cannon of OP-plx-nerf.

The AC only gets used if you are getting rushed by light vehicles (and that does not really happen anymore) or if you run out of ATGMs.

The BMP-3 is one of the bread and butter units in a Cat A CCCP deck. It can safely engage enemy tanks and ATGM vehicles from range and it is one of the best units to counter enemy ATGM teams. A very flexible unit. The bradley is far more one dimensional.


The Bradley CFV, however, is a completely different matter. That thing is like the perfect ATGM vehicle. :P
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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby Kin-Luu » Thu 20 Feb 2014 10:11

shomu1 wrote:The Bradley CFV, however, is a completely different matter. That thing is like the perfect ATGM vehicle. :P


Yes, it is a decent ATGM vehicle - but it is crippled by its low availability compared to the BMP-3.
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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby LoneRifle » Thu 20 Feb 2014 16:41

Kin-Luu wrote:
shomu1 wrote:The Bradley CFV, however, is a completely different matter. That thing is like the perfect ATGM vehicle. :P


Yes, it is a decent ATGM vehicle - but it is crippled by its low availability compared to the BMP-3.


That's because its a recon IFV with a good gun and plenty of tow2?

As we all know, you can get just as many Bradley's as you can Bmp3, but they end up filling different roles. The Arkan is a superior sniper atgm no doubt, but it won't be able to kill the highest level NATO tanks in 1-2 shots....... unlike Uber Bradley which will 2 shot anything less then a T80U. Bradley can also engage lighter skinned vehicles with ease as we all know. For the BMP3, the auto-cannon IS there.... but I don't see much use for it unless I am engaging a suicidal helicopter or taking my BMP3 into a fight in the woods. When you drop 70 points for a Moto/BMP3, your paying the extra bucks for the 6 Arkans and the HE gun, hence why it's so much more expensive then the Uber bradley.
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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby Graphic » Thu 20 Feb 2014 16:45

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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby katt » Thu 20 Feb 2014 18:13

ahchung1 wrote:
Falcrack wrote:Okay you lost me. Which gun number goes with which ammo number goes with which vehicle number again?


In case this was genuine, and not sarcasm

Bushmaster - NATO - M791 & M919

2A72 - PACT - 3UBR6 & 3UBR8

Again, the M919 and 3UBR8 do not exist in the ALB universe.


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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby RangerPL » Thu 20 Feb 2014 21:35

I can't believe people are actually using the word "uber bradley" in a non-ironic manner.
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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby Hidden Gunman » Thu 20 Feb 2014 21:43

I'm seeing the BMP3 in the more utilitarian role, compared to the Bradley. When supported by some of the heavier high end Sov tanks, it fits very well into the all-arms package, and can generally fill in gaps that many nato specialist support vehicles would cover - for instance, high numbers of atgm, anti-infantry vehicles, etc.

Increasing the punch of the autocannon will make an already popular and utilitarian vehicle much more of a 'must have', and is likely to take it into the OP bracket.
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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby Forimar » Thu 20 Feb 2014 22:38

Hidden Gunman wrote:I'm seeing the BMP3 in the more utilitarian role, compared to the Bradley. When supported by some of the heavier high end Sov tanks, it fits very well into the all-arms package, and can generally fill in gaps that many nato specialist support vehicles would cover - for instance, high numbers of atgm, anti-infantry vehicles, etc.

Increasing the punch of the autocannon will make an already popular and utilitarian vehicle much more of a 'must have', and is likely to take it into the OP bracket.


Honestly I think the BMP3 is already OP- in open field battles PACT can pretty much autowin with 22 AP 2800m missiles on an ultra mobile platform that can effectively combat ATGM teams at max range. I use it all the time playing as USSR and its pretty cheesy combined with heavies and a good ADN. Its one of the very few ATGM vehicles that hard counter the "uber bradley" (oh god how I hate that stupid nickname).

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Re: Why does the Bushmaster get 3 AP and not the 2A72?

Postby RangerPL » Thu 20 Feb 2014 23:27

22 AP missiles with 10 accuracy. As opposed to the Bradley's 14 accuracy and 26 AP at the expense of only 175m of range.

For 10 pts more, the BMP-3 is not unbalanced.
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