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by terror51247
Wed 7 Dec 2016 12:33
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

You seem awfully sure that the T-80UD would have better protection than a Leopard 2A5 frontally, even against KE. I mean, considering that we dont know a thing about their actual armor protection and that the estimates I remember place it at lower protection than the 2A5. Actually we do....... Sovi...
by terror51247
Wed 7 Dec 2016 12:30
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

You seem awfully sure that the T-80UD would have better protection than a Leopard 2A5 frontally, even against KE. I mean, considering that we dont know a thing about their actual armor protection and that the estimates I remember place it at lower protection than the 2A5. Actually we do....... Sovi...
by terror51247
Wed 7 Dec 2016 12:03
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

700 T80UD.There were 500 t80U.BTW afaik tamam and kantemirovskuyu use t80u not t80ud.Russia didnt use t80ud at all. Anyway as you can see there was no t80u/ud in germany which are the best tanks that the soviets had.As i said they kept the good stuff home. No, they did not. T-64 variants were the b...
by terror51247
Wed 7 Dec 2016 12:01
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

Whe know about Obj. 187 just enough to say that is should take place of current T-72BU with slightly tweaked stats. About 477A - it can be modelled through armor, acc, AP, RoF, speed... What's the problem with that? We have T-64A modelled in comparison with M60A1 now(albeit pretty shitty, but eh). ...
by terror51247
Wed 7 Dec 2016 11:37
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

Obj. 187 shouldnt be modelled at all lol. It being added would only exacerbate the problem that is being expressed in the OP. T-80UD as two card psuedo superheavy would be more USSR's flavor especially with the welded turret. Armorwise T80UD is a full superheavy.With a welded turret it has more res...
by terror51247
Wed 7 Dec 2016 02:10
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

We dont need more wunderwaffen. If we have non-collapsed USSR, then most probable super-heavy should be Obj. 187. On second place - Obj. 477A. T-72BU is fantasy shit which is farther from existance that any of named tanks. We dont know how good the 187 is.Molot would be the wunderwaffiest of the wu...
by terror51247
Wed 7 Dec 2016 00:48
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

Check the date of the stuff... Yes, some values are not accurate... The forces opposing NATO in Europe during the late 1970s and early 1980s. In Germany, NORTHAG faced T-64-equipped units in the north of Germany (the 2nd Guards Tank, 20th Guards, and 3rd Shock Armies) and T-80 units in the south (1...
by terror51247
Wed 7 Dec 2016 00:42
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

GARGEAN wrote:
Bougnas wrote:if we can find a proto that is unique enough (cold war one ofc).

Obj. 187.
Obj. 292.
Obj. 477/477A.
Obj. 490/490A.

Pick any.

We dont need more wunderwaffen.
by terror51247
Tue 6 Dec 2016 23:06
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

http://www.mediafire.com/file/pdi8bkzp2jar5f2/MBTs.pdf This has some gives some quite high armor effectiviness numbers to many tanks.Some of those ammo penetration data is wrong as well.Vant(430mm warpac norm/around 470 nato)/ dm33(510mm) values are known today and this pdf has different values.New...
by terror51247
Tue 6 Dec 2016 16:03
Forum: Wargame : Red Dragon
Topic: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!
Replies: 657
Views: 40794

Re: Make the USSR "Sufficient" Again!

Most of ussr's good stuff stayed in ussr and people wouldnt know that it existed until many years later.T80U never apearred outside ussr.T80UD never apearred outside ussr.T72B never apearred outside ussr.T64 only apeared in europe in the late 70's.Never being seen in europe isnt proof of anything.N...

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