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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

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Postby frostypooky » Mon 12 Feb 2018 00:49

Republican party has sunk to new lows.


Darth Lampshade's post-election "the Republicans are winning everything, you are all btfo" was a warning, not a brag, in retrospect. they weren't ready to govern as a reanimated corpse, esp with the worst possible chief of executive branch at the helm.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Killertomato » Mon 12 Feb 2018 05:00

frostypooky wrote:
Republican party has sunk to new lows.


Darth Lampshade's post-election "the Republicans are winning everything, you are all btfo" was a warning, not a brag, in retrospect. they weren't ready to govern as a reanimated corpse, esp with the worst possible chief of executive branch at the helm.


The only words I can think of to describe the governing part of the Republican party is "anti-tax nihilism" since it's hard to believe they actually care about literally anything except that and getting re-elected.

Shrike wrote:Besides that, I've started to notice racism becoming a bit more socially acceptable among the younger people in my area as /pol/'s memes continue to leak into reality.


I can second this. A lot of the 'internet aware' people I know believe every Breitbart and /pol/ statement about muslims entirely, especially the massive muslim invasion of Europe and the infamous no-go zones.

Whenever someone contradicts them (as the dutch press did to our fine ambassador), this is kinda what happens. They give you this weird look and then repeat themselves.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Kinglorre » Mon 12 Feb 2018 16:08

So, we're all doomed until the midterm elections and after that Mueller can finally bring the hammer down in there is a democrat majority? Or are we really having another 3 years of this shit?

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Vulcan 607 » Tue 13 Feb 2018 00:10

Kinglorre wrote:So, we're all doomed until the midterm elections and after that Mueller can finally bring the hammer down in there is a democrat majority? Or are we really having another 3 years of this shit?


Well the problem is if Mueller gets Trump his base will go mental, while the GOP will breath a sigh of relief knowing Trumps gone they will also know they have lost every bit of credibility with anyone with half a brain. So I am really concerned they will double down on Trumps base and continue to pander to them, I seriously expect a few riots when Trump goes the Russians will make sure of that.

I am personally really impressed with Russia's efforts in America they have succeeded in getting Americans to doubt their own political system and elect a president that encourages these doubts. When this all comes crashing down on the heads of Americans I really could see the country becoming isolationist again.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Shrike » Tue 13 Feb 2018 03:32

Vulcan 607 wrote:I am personally really impressed with Russia's efforts in America they have succeeded in getting Americans to doubt their own political system and elect a president that encourages these doubts. When this all comes crashing down on the heads of Americans I really could see the country becoming isolationist again.

In my time lurking and infiltrating various circles, isolationism is very popular across multiple ideologies. For libertarians they prefer it because they don't receive the benefits of foreign alliances directly, so therefore why should they care about the sovereignty of say... Poland or the country that cannot be named. Traditionalists support isolationism because the founding fathers of the United States believe, also citing the need to return to a small military with many militias. Social Democrats and mainstream leftists are for isolationism because they see defense spending as wasteful and would rather see the defense budget be redirected to things like education, NASA, and healthcare. Socialists/Communists support isolationism because US interventions. Far right groups support it too a degree provided the US leaves their favorite dictators alone.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby frostypooky » Tue 13 Feb 2018 04:41

re: impressed with Russia's efforts

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/09/don ... ction-nsa/

i'm sure everyone has seen this by now, by the last paragraph warrants some attention.

The Russian told the American that he had first become aware of Russian efforts targeting U.S. political activities in late 2014 or early 2015, according to the documents reviewed by The Intercept. The Russian stated that he had no knowledge of a “master plan” to cause major disruption to U.S. election activities, but the effort was generally understood as a “green light” from Russian security officials to enlist cyber-related groups in probing and harassing activities directed at U.S. targets.


this comes strikingly close the internal perception here: the 'green light' came around 2014 for various agencies to explore and prepare 'information warfare' (in their own words) against the US, but it wasn't really a centrally directed effort. that's the most frightening part in terms of our vigilence: that they had such stunning success when it was really just the US+cyber offices of GRU/SVR/FSB each just piloting what they could do. (and in SVR's case, they could simply outsource it to contractors)

thankfully this wont last any longer than Trump, and to be fair , Putin has made some quiet concessions such as reducing scope of last Zapad as they perceive they have angered us too much.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Fade2Gray » Tue 13 Feb 2018 19:03

Killertomato wrote:
Shrike wrote:Besides that, I've started to notice racism becoming a bit more socially acceptable among the younger people in my area as /pol/'s memes continue to leak into reality.


I can second this. A lot of the 'internet aware' people I know believe every Breitbart and /pol/ statement about muslims entirely, especially the massive muslim invasion of Europe and the infamous no-go zones.

Whenever someone contradicts them (as the dutch press did to our fine ambassador), this is kinda what happens. They give you this weird look and then repeat themselves.

The only thing I have to pitch in is that it is well past "becoming a bit more socially acceptable" and it has reached that peak already. Whether it's other vets or the odd drunk while I'm out Ubering on the weekends (and boy did I have a few of those recently), the bigotry is blatant and out in the open now.

Vulcan 607 wrote:I am personally really impressed with Russia's efforts in America they have succeeded in getting Americans to doubt their own political system and elect a president that encourages these doubts. When this all comes crashing down on the heads of Americans I really could see the country becoming isolationist again.

That has been building for years though. To say it was just the Russians who are behind it is just daft. InfoWars, Rush, Drudge, etc have been spewing hate for our government for years. Decades even. This is why I laugh when people say if we "solve" the Russian problem it will fix that.

No.
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Will.
Not.

The libertarian nonsense has been building for decades now, and it will continue to do so without the Russians helping them out.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby frostypooky » Tue 13 Feb 2018 23:15

what a clown car

Trump staffer resigns after allegations go public of beating his two exwives

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despite leaks that the team knew about it, Trump doubles down on "he's a nice guy and allegations need due process because we never heard about it"

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Trump's own FBI director, in front of Congress, says that FBI raised the staffer's "issues" with the White House several times over the last year while processing his security clearance

why?? every part of this shitty coverup is a self inflicted wound for the WH. literally the only thing this admin handle is just letting Mattis do what he wants.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Shrike » Wed 14 Feb 2018 02:16

Fade2Gray wrote:That has been building for years though. To say it was just the Russians who are behind it is just daft. InfoWars, Rush, Drudge, etc have been spewing hate for our government for years. Decades even. This is why I laugh when people say if we "solve" the Russian problem it will fix that.

No.
It.
Will.
Not.

The libertarian nonsense has been building for decades now, and it will continue to do so without the Russians helping them out.

Can confirm, I was brain washed into accepting isolationism. Russia at the time seemed like it wasn't going to be involved in world politics and China's capabilities were dubious (unless you were Mitt Romney). Especially since the idea of major attack occurring on US soil seemed impossible at the time, a lot of people doubted the Military's reason to exist. Also people questioned NATO's role since the only enemies known to the public at the time was Al Qaeda and the Taliban leading to a big skepticism promoted by people like Jeremy Corbyn. Also you had all the stories of free loader countries. Which lead to this idea that the US was doing was going around making problems than actually fixing them. Also some people were still jaded about the aftermath of the Invasion of Iraq and the pull out, which lead to people questioning the effectiveness of the US's ability to function as the the world police. Also you have what would become the alt-right saying that people like Saddam maintained order and removing him was a mistake, you also had people saying that the missile defense shield in Eastern Europe was just the US and friends bullying Russia which lead people to question NATO's existence.

Probably the biggest source for the growing popularity of Isolationism was the Iraq war. Over the years the media has done a pretty good job of painting it a bad light. For years George W. Bush was hated many because of the Iraq War and was called a war criminal which lead to people saying things like the Iraq war was for oil and what not, wmds were fake, Iraqi Weapons program was fake. Heck, even Alex Jones was going around criticizing it based on the actions of some of the soldiers.

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