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Anyone here play tabletop Wargames?

Posted: Fri 21 Jun 2013 07:49
by TankHunter
Having recently found a old copy of the Tactical Combat Series game, Matanikau, I was just wondering if anyone other forum-goers play any of these games? The TCS games started in 1989 :shock: with the first game, Bloody 110, chronicling the 28th ID halting the 2nd SS Panzer Division for 2 days during the Battle of the Bulge. This allowed the 101st Airborne to reach Bastogne

Matanikau focuses on Battalion or smaller size engagements, with each tab/marker representing a platoon or individual vehicle. The game itself focuses on combat along the Matanikau river in Guadalcanal.
Orders are written on papers provided with the game, which feature the map, and sections labeled Orders, Units involved, Failure Instructions,etc. I do not have one on me, but an example order would be" Force A will move and establish a position at position X-Ray, and hold there.Force B will then move and push the Japanese forces into Force A.
Force A and Force B are just stand ins, obviously, unless you are ordering multiple platoons in one group, and you set Platoon 1 and 2 as Force A, and 3 and 4 as Force B, which you would state in the Units Involved tab.

I also have another game in the series, Leros: The Island Prize, which is set during the German airborne and naval invasion against the Anglo-Italian forces holding the Mediterranean(Greek) island of Leros in late 1943, as Hitler feared the establishment of an airbase on the island would threaten the oilfields at Ploesti.

Sadly, most of these games are out of print. On the publishers website( http://www.multimanpublishing.com/Products/tabid/58/CategoryID/13/Default.aspx ), only 4 of the games are in print. The newest one, Canadian Crucible, is due out soon, and covers the Canadian defense of Norrey(France) on D+2 against the 12th SS Panzer Division. The TCS games still in print are:
Black Wednesday: The Battle of Krasni Bor between the Soviets and the Spanish Blue Division.
Leros
Bloody Ridge(not available boxed, :( ): The pivotal battle for Henderson Field, on Guadalcanal

GD 42: One of the 3 TCS games covering the Panzergrenadier Division Großdeutschland, the first(GD40) covering the Battle of Stonne, France. GD 42 takes place during Operation Mars, in the Luchessa Valley. Unbeknownst to the Soviets, it had recently been reinforced by a few battalions from the Großdeutschland division. Furthermore, it comes with the TCS 4.0 rules, which are backwards compatible with all the older games except Force Eagle's War, which is a hypothetical 1990's setting.

Re: Anyone here play tabletop Wargames?

Posted: Fri 21 Jun 2013 11:08
by -TIE-
Hey TH did you speak about Tabletops or Boardgames. It sounds you talk about boardgames. I play Flames of War. Its for me the one and only tabletop Wargame (for WW2). Thats more an simulation but easy to play and historical very near to perfect. Unit stats reflect what their irl counterparts were. The game is playable with only one platoon (but need a litte bit modification for victoryconditions and moral the easiest is to play without this rules) or standarized on company level. A few scenario´s exist for very few Units only, like "Barkmanns Corner".

It´s amazing but with the ruleset and a little bit luck (ofc its a game and you need to use dices) you can archive results who are very comparable with the history.

Downsides are, its expensive, you need time to paint and build a lot of terrain. But its a nice hobby.

Re: Anyone here play tabletop Wargames?

Posted: Fri 21 Jun 2013 14:51
by EricTerminator
I think you should ask MadMat ; IIRC, he plays tabletop wargames.

Re: Anyone here play tabletop/board Wargames?

Posted: Fri 21 Jun 2013 19:29
by TankHunter
-TIE- wrote:Hey TH did you speak about Tabletops or Boardgames. It sounds you talk about boardgames. I play Flames of War. Its for me the one and only tabletop Wargame (for WW2). Thats more an simulation but easy to play and historical very near to perfect. Unit stats reflect what their irl counterparts were. The game is playable with only one platoon (but need a litte bit modification for victoryconditions and moral the easiest is to play without this rules) or standarized on company level. A few scenario´s exist for very few Units only, like "Barkmanns Corner".

It´s amazing but with the ruleset and a little bit luck (ofc its a game and you need to use dices) you can archive results who are very comparable with the history.

Downsides are, its expensive, you need time to paint and build a lot of terrain. But its a nice hobby.


Yeah, I guess one would consider TCS a board game, sorry. I don't have the time to play tabletop games, but they always sounded really great.

Re: Anyone here play tabletop Wargames?

Posted: Fri 21 Jun 2013 20:06
by -TIE-
Hey np...my fault I should follow the link befor I write :)

Yeha right FoW is not a game for under an hour. Normaly we played a full afternoon / evening. But atm we also didnt play bcs the time...real life goes first .)

Re: Anyone here play tabletop Wargames?

Posted: Sat 22 Jun 2013 17:02
by Killertomato
I have MBT tucked away in a corner somewhere, but I haven't touched it in years. :P

Re: Anyone here play tabletop Wargames?

Posted: Sat 22 Jun 2013 17:39
by Knautscher
I play Flames of War as well (3rd Canadian Infantry Division, 4th Canadian Armoured, 101st Airborne Division, Panzer Lehr Division, 503. Schwere Panzerabteilung), but I'm looking to expand into the realm of 6mm wargaming with Cold War Commander, which basically is like a tabletop version of Wargame (and vice versa). It's not quite as expensive as FoW and easier to paint, because of the small scale. Basically you could even just use chips with tactical symbols - but where's the fun in that?

FoW is great because the rules are very clearly laid out, the rule book is a real joy to read and very easy to understand, you can get cheap models from a variety of manufacturers and the game plays quite quick and entertaining.

CWC is a more abstract and simplified, but leaves enough depth for tactical gameplay with battallion/regiment sized forces pitted against each other. The presentation/documentation is not up to par with FoW though.

Re: Anyone here play tabletop Wargames?

Posted: Sun 23 Jun 2013 15:12
by -TIE-
I play Flames of War as well (3rd Canadian Infantry Division, 4th Canadian Armoured, 101st Airborne Division, Panzer Lehr Division, 503. Schwere Panzerabteilung), but I'm looking to expand into the realm of 6mm wargaming with Cold War Commander, which basically is like a tabletop version of Wargame (and vice versa). It's not quite as expensive as FoW and easier to paint, because of the small scale. Basically you could even just use chips with tactical symbols - but where's the fun in that?


Yes :) Another Canadian. My last project were the Canadian´s too, like you with the 3rd Inf and 4th Armoured but the 4th Armoured isn´t assembled yet ;(. And the 3rd Inf is only assembled but not painted, too mutch german stuff left ;( on axis my one and only beloved Unit is the 5th SS Tank Division Wiking (post Tscherkassy like the armylist in the Book River of Heroes). But with my random german Units I can field anything from "Fallschirmjäger" to the "Sperrverband".

Re: Anyone here play tabletop Wargames?

Posted: Sun 23 Jun 2013 20:44
by Tac Error
CWC is excellent and the level of abstraction, plus the gameplay mechanics is something I would like to see as a WALB mod, if it were possible.

Re: Anyone here play tabletop Wargames?

Posted: Mon 24 Jun 2013 01:09
by panzersaurkrautwefer
I play wargames off and on. I'm in it more because I enjoy painting the miniatures, but I'm down for a good game every now and then.

Partly as a result of being a painter more than a player, I've got enough Flames of War to field a US Armor company (with lots of support choices), Panzer Company, and British Armor Company. When I'm back in the states again, I'll be adding forces to be able to field a mechanized list for all those countries too, and possibly a Soviet armor list.

And I've also got a Brigade's worth of microarmor.