Crisis in Crimea

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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby rhylsadar » Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:31

hmmm ok so you : Russian, talk about some Ukrainian revolutionary people that are nationalist inside their own country cause they just kick away their wellknow corrupted president under russian federation influence ? SO HARD FOR YOU !

edit : I honestly understand the wish of Russians to get Crimea... But i think that politics of imperalism can not be accepted in XXI century

right now we ear about Russian army invade ukrainian caserns in Crimea
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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby Gopblin » Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:33

Kralizec wrote:
Gopblin wrote:words and speculations about Russian AR-15

The comments section of The Firearm Blog is reporting that the rifle is a Ukrainian Zbroyar AR-15. So... confirmed for self defense forces, then?


Yeah. Sorry I didn't know about it, it's a pretty rare weapon that's only been produced for a year or so.

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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby Gopblin » Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:36

rhylsadar wrote:hmmm ok so you : Russian, talk about some Ukrainian revolutionary people that are nationalist inside their own country cause they just kick away their wellknow corrupted president under russian federation influence ? SO HARD FOR YOU !


We just had a conversation about this with my Ukrainian friend, and went over the list of people that died on the Maidan to determine the real composition of protesters. Roughly, of those that died in clashes with police:

83% came to Kiev from West Ukraine
12% were residents of Kiev
5% were from East Ukraine

So "democratic" when the "people's revolution" is over 80% activists bused in from the rural outskirts of the country, right?

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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby rhylsadar » Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:43

Gopblin wrote:
rhylsadar wrote:hmmm ok so you : Russian, talk about some Ukrainian revolutionary people that are nationalist inside their own country cause they just kick away their wellknow corrupted president under russian federation influence ? SO HARD FOR YOU !


We just had a conversation about this with my Ukrainian friend, and went over the list of people that died on the Maidan to determine the real composition of protesters. Roughly, of those that died in clashes with police:

83% came to Kiev from West Ukraine
12% were residents of Kiev
5% were from East Ukraine

So "democratic" when the "people's revolution" is over 80% activists bused in from the rural outskirts of the country, right?

Best wishes,
Daniel


Same when Castro and EL che came to Cuba from other county, same from lenin coming from German train in exchangee to make peace oups should have not say that.
Do you really think that if Ukrainian people not supporting this revolution they just let this "facist" group just blow up their "democratie".

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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby Radsoc » Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:49

rhylsadar wrote:hmmm ok so you : Russian, talk about some Ukrainian revolutionary people that are nationalist inside their own country cause they just kick away their wellknow corrupted president under russian federation influence ? SO HARD FOR YOU !

edit : I honestly understand the wish of Russians to get Crimea... But i think that politics of imperalism can not be accepted in XXI century

right now we ear about Russian army invade ukrainian caserns in Crimea


Well, if you think replacing a corrupt, but elected, government with some unelected fascist thugs, that torture, threaten and abuse minorities, politicla opposition and people who aren't "patriotic enough" like this TV-chief who was assaulted, is ok, that's what you should tell us instead of making "jokes" about completely irrelevant "events" in Canada.

And before you make more fun jokes about Crimea, think about what your government did to Libya or to Syria. It's a neo-colonial power in Africa, and nobody voted for them to come there and "liberate" them from jobs, natural resources and their lives.

What Russian army? Crimean self defence along with civilians in tractors detained the Kiev-loyal occupants in the independent Republic of Crimea.

Same when Castro and EL che came to Cuba from other county, same from lenin coming from German train in exchangee to make peace oups should have not say that.
Do you really think that if Ukrainian people not supporting this revolution they just let this "facist" group just blow up their "democratie".


Castro is Cuban, but it doesn't really matter as there was a real revolution in that country unlike in Kiev where you just change some politicans and not the system itself. The Russian revolution was also democratic, the soviets held a vote and 50%+ agreed (Bolsheviks + LSR) to get going.

The govt of UA was elected in elections everyone recognized. The current govt couldn't win the elections and staged a coup instead.
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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby Crotou » Wed 19 Mar 2014 17:52

Gopblin wrote:So "democratic" when the "people's revolution" is over 80% activists bused in from the rural outskirts of the country, right?


You seem to forget this is the case in every revolution. You will always find extremists leading the way because they are the most motivated. Then, the people has to get rid of it. Sometime it works (Révolution Française), sometimes not (Nazism, fascism, communism, etc.). Let some time to the Ukrainian people before judging them.
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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby Radsoc » Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:01

It is not a revolution. In a revolution you don't just change the faces of the politicians in charge, you change the social, economic and political system from a less progressive type to one that's more progressive, and it has to have at least the passive support of a majority.

That's also why there haven't been any revolutions in the middle east recentlyt. Revolts/uprisings at best.
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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby rhylsadar » Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:03

as i say in edit i understand the wishe of Russians to "re"unified their people.... just that ANSLUSS can not happen in 2014.

1st the last president just left Ukraine
2nd the actual president, that you just not reconized,were rightfully elected by parlement and is temporary.

3rd if Crimea does not reconize and want to get away from Ukraine they just put them a referedum with the answers: YES or NO and not YES or YES.

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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby rhylsadar » Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:05

edit did not read correctly...

just maybe Ukrainian people just wanted to live Russian influence to European Union and you just not accept it ?
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Re: Crisis in Crimea

Postby Crotou » Wed 19 Mar 2014 18:06

Radsoc wrote:It is not a revolution. In a revolution you don't just change the faces of the politicians in charge, you change the social, economic and political system from a less progressive type to one that's more progressive, and it has to have at least the passive support of a majority.

That's also why there haven't been any revolutions in the middle east recentlyt. Revolts/uprisings at best.


It is the first step of a revolution. ;)
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