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Postby hansbroger » Mon 21 Apr 2014 08:15

This thread started when I found some interesting articles on Soviet artillery, it has now been expanded to literature advancing general knowledge of USSR/NSWP capabilities! Bring stuff you found, we love links or videos or pics! Bring us the cool units and capabilities we didn't know about!

Was following up some unrelated leads when I came across these articles, there are no hard numbers but they appear to be relatively scholarly in nature and draw on some decent sources, and give some interesting insight into the way soviet forces were fighting by the late Afghanistan period, let alone by the time they got into Chechnya the second time. The scale of precision guided weapon usage is quite astonishing, I don't normally associate PGM usage with the Soviet/early RF army but apparently they were lobbing LGB's and laser guided artillery/mortar shells like hotcakes back in the late 1980s/early 1990s.

This isn't a call for any in game changes or buffs to systems (but I can't resist throwing in mention of the 2S4 Tyulipan and 2S5 Giatsint-S) its more to share some interesting non wikipedia type information on late Soviet capabilities that is packaged in a reasonably easily digestible form, in english language. Foreign Military Studies Office at Ft. Leavenworth rather than wikipedia/armyguide etc...

I forget which one it is but one makes mention of the employment of Buratino's, overall they are a fun, not too exhausting read.

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/docume ... -tulip.pdf

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/docume ... y/arty.htm

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/Chechnya.pdf

https://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/lan ... snopol.htm

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/docume ... serted.htm

I realize that a majority of my posts border on PRO-PACT demagoguery so I feel like I should occasionally supply something of reasonable interest/somewhat scholarly value from time to time.

Enjoy :D
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Postby Obermotz » Mon 21 Apr 2014 08:47

Thank you for the links, interesting read.

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Postby Guggy » Mon 21 Apr 2014 08:49

hansbroger wrote:I realize that a majority of my posts are PRO-PACT demagoguery so I feel like I should occasionally supply something of reasonable interest/somewhat scholarly value.


I never got that vibe :?

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Postby hansbroger » Tue 22 Apr 2014 03:58

Another goodie.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a225437.pdf

This and the previous documents include among other things Army War College doctoral papers, Official US Army studies on the subject and other private institutional reports.
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Postby spyker92 » Tue 22 Apr 2014 04:47

A very interesting read. Helping make these forums the sole central source for all cold-war knowledge :D.

Thank you.

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Postby hansbroger » Tue 22 Apr 2014 05:15

Currently trying to hunt this down in full/partial form where it is free/viewable without subscription etc:
Red God of War: Soviet Artillery and Rocket Forces: Chris Bellamy
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Postby RangerPL » Tue 22 Apr 2014 05:18

hansbroger wrote:I realize that a majority of my posts border on PRO-PACT demagoguery

You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Postby hansbroger » Tue 22 Apr 2014 05:55

RangerPL wrote:
hansbroger wrote:I realize that a majority of my posts border on PRO-PACT demagoguery

You say that like it's a bad thing.


I do feel I am sometimes a bit harder on NATO in this expansion.

In regards to the modernization of the russian army in the 2000's:

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/docume ... isions.pdf
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Postby Cheesehead » Tue 22 Apr 2014 07:22

Tracking this thread for reading after finals. I might actually have some of their artillery graphs stashed somewhere.
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Postby Tac Error » Tue 22 Apr 2014 07:46

hansbroger wrote:Currently trying to hunt this down in full/partial form where it is free/viewable without subscription etc:
Red God of War: Soviet Artillery and Rocket Forces: Chris Bellamy


I can tell you that this specific title is ridiculously expensive and your best bet is to visit a library. Bellamy was closely connected with the Soviet Studies Research Centre at RMA Sandhurst, which along with its newer American counterpart were contributing some very good stuff that was above the Viktor Survorov-David Isby stereotyped view in the late 1980s. Red God of War could benefit with a 2nd edition using archival materials available since 1986, but oh well...

Further insights into Soviet artillery methodology can be found in this collection of posts I copied from a wargaming forum:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16WJ ... sp=sharing

...plus this paper by Lester Grau, which contains a translated chapter from a Soviet artillery manual:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a231788.pdf

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