Gun control, thoughts?

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Re: Gun control, thoughts?

Postby Bryan » Thu 8 May 2014 15:17

griffor wrote:



they broke the law simple as that the law is black and white, lawyers try to make it grey. i'd have shot them to

My thoughts exactly. It seems absurd for the family and friends to lash out at the defendants some even with quite incoherent arguments.

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Re: Gun control, thoughts?

Postby OpusTheFowl » Thu 8 May 2014 15:20

Bryan wrote:My thoughts exactly. It seems absurd for the family and friends to lash out at the defendants some even with quite incoherent arguments.

What are the entry wounds?

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Re: Gun control, thoughts?

Postby DelroyMonjo » Thu 8 May 2014 16:14

I really hope this clears up any confusion, Opus.

The small entrance wound is just visible on the outside edge of the right thigh (left side of photograph – marked with an arrowhead). The large exit wound involves the inner aspect of the right thigh. Finally, there are multiple reentrance wounds from bullet fragments located on the inner aspect of the left thigh.
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Re: Gun control, thoughts?

Postby Shrike » Thu 8 May 2014 16:14

Well Sacramento, Stockton, San Jose, and Oakland all have gang problems. What a lot of people here don't know is that there is a big gang war in Cali. In the North you have the Norteno gangs who identify with the color red. In the South you have the Sureno gangs who indentify with the color blue. These two gangs run smaller gangs to carry out their actions throughout the state. In the Modesto their are armed thugs who tie people up in their homes and destroy their marijuana plants. These people are believed to be working for the Cartels or are MS13.

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Re: Gun control, thoughts?

Postby OpusTheFowl » Thu 8 May 2014 16:18

DelroyMonjo wrote:I really hope this clears up any confusion, Opus.

So that was from the news story Bryan linked to?

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Re: Gun control, thoughts?

Postby Noders » Mon 12 May 2014 21:04

where the heck are people coming up with the statement that anyone in Israel can get a gun? Israel has very strict gun control laws for civilians the only reason you might see a lot of people walking around with assault rifles is they're all in the frigging army.
oh and for those unfamiliar with Israel's gun control laws here they are
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It is forbidden in Israel to own any kind of firearm, including air pistols and rifles, without a firearms license.

The list of below personnel are eligible for licenses allowing them to possess firearms:

Israel Defense Forces officers honorably discharged with the rank of non-commissioned officer
Reservists honorably discharged with the rank of regimental commander
Ex–special forces enlisted men
Retired police officers with the rank of sergeant
Retired prison guards with the rank of squadron commander
Licensed public transportation drivers transporting a minimum of five people
Full-time dealers of jewellery or large sums of cash or valuables
Civil Guard volunteers
Residents of militarily strategic buffer zones considered essential to state security
Such personnel are allowed to possess one handgun.
Reservists honorably discharged with the rank of regimental commander are also eligible for licences allowing them to possess one rifle.
Licensed hunters may possess one shotgun
Licensed animal-control officers are allowed to possess two rifles
Civil Guard snipers may possess one rifle.
To legally own a gun as a souvenir, prize, inheritance, or award of appreciation from the military, an individual must first present proper documentation that they are about to receive it. Permits for gun collectors are extremely rare, and typically only given to ex-high-ranking officers.

To obtain a gun license, an applicant must be a resident of Israel for at least three consecutive years, have no criminal record, be in good health, have no history of mental illness, pass a weapons-training course, and be over a certain age:

20 for women who completed military service or civil service equivalent
21 for men who completed military service or civil service equivalent
27 for those who did not complete military service or civil service equivalent
45 for residents of East Jerusalem.
Gun licenses must be renewed every three years and permits are given only for personal use, not for business in the firearms sale while holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun, and may purchase a maximum of fifty rounds a year, except for those shot at firing ranges.

Members of officially recognized shooting clubs (practical shooting, Olympic shooting) are eligible for personal licenses allowing them to possess additional firearms (small bore rifles, handguns, air rifles, and air pistols) after demonstrating a need and fulfilling minimum membership time and activity requirements. Unlicensed individuals are allowed supervised use of pistols at firing ranges.

Following a number of cases of firearm-related suicides at firing ranges, private individuals who do not own firearms are required to present a certificate of good conduct and a physician's health declaration in order to shoot at commercial firing ranges.

Self-defense firearms may be carried in public, concealed or openly, together with ammunition, without needing any additional permits. Israel is notable for being a country with few places where firearms are off limits to licensed individuals (private premises, some government offices and institutions, courts).

In addition to private licenses of firearms, organizations can issue carry licenses to their members for activity related to that organization (e.g. security companies, shooting clubs, other workplaces).

Soldiers are allowed to carry their personal weapons and ammunition together while on furlough during active service, uniformed or in civilian clothing.

In 2005, there were 236,879 private citizens and 154,000 security guards licensed to carry firearms. Another 34,000 Israelis who were previously licensed own guns illegally due to their failure to renew their gun license.[79][80] In 2007, there were estimated to be 500,000 civilian licensed guns in Israel, in addition to 1,757,500 in the military, and 26,040 in the police.[81][82]

The regulation for gun ownership became stricter following the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995.[citation needed] Gun ownership in Israel is considered a privilege and not a right.[citation needed]
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Re: Gun control, thoughts?

Postby nWODT_Niack » Wed 11 Jun 2014 12:33

Hand me my shovel.

http://www.armchairscholar.com/school-s ... 1990-2014/

So the question that remains is : "What number of school children and teachers killed per year will the US people consider too many. What number do you need to reach before you say : enough, we need much stricter gun control laws" ?
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Re: Gun control, thoughts?

Postby LoneRifle » Wed 11 Jun 2014 15:26

Gun's have become harder to obtain if anything during those years in the majority of states........ People are screaming "its all about the gun's" when the issue probably has 10x more to do with societal, familial, and new technology problems then anything.

So the question that remains is : "What number of school children and teachers killed per year will the US people consider too many. What number do you need to reach before you say : enough, we need much stricter gun control laws" ?


The answer is butt out, and worry about your own extremist population you've let into your country. Gun's have been in America for centuries in the hands of every family that has wanted them. The trend of shootings is extremely recent and has only very little to do with actual gun control.
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Re: Gun control, thoughts?

Postby OpusTheFowl » Wed 11 Jun 2014 17:08

LoneRifle wrote:The answer is butt out....

It's 100% within the rules but telling people to shut-up isn't...don't like that then you are free to leave...

BTW, the recent Ukraine-Russian conflict was none of your business either but you had zero issue posting there...
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