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Re: [Non-included nation] NETHERLANDS

Postby Yaxxo » Fri 16 May 2014 18:22

cramble wrote:The YP-408 25mm on the other hand only exists on paper but is never produced.
Sadly the same is with the YP408 TLV .
These 2 could be used as prototypes but i think the YP-408 25mm could be replaced with the existing YP-104 with a 25 mm for recon.


Ah damn, I could've sworn they built at least prototype versions of those(reference images in my linked post), but I guess they were not functional. I think they'd make nice prototype units in the game though.

On the subject of Dutch naval stuff:
For ships you'd have an interesting selection, the Dutch were never a country to have a small navy.
Special ships:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Zeven_P ... ss_cruiser
This ship would be a real one-off in wargame, a heavily armoured cruiser with initially nothing but guns, but later fitted with a RIM-2 SAM system. It was decommissioned in 1975, so i think it would fit in the time frame well, it'd be a nice heavily armoured gunboat that might make a nice artillery asset?
Armament(original):
  • 8x bofors 152mm(4 twin turrets)
  • 8x bofors 57mm(4 twin turrets)
  • 8x Bofors 40L70
Armament(upgraded);
  • 4x bofors 152mm
  • 6x bofors 57mm
  • 4x bofors 40L70
  • RIM-2 Terrier(40 missiles)

Frigates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tromp_class_frigate
Tromp class
Replacement of the Zeven Provinciën cruiser
Armament:
  • 2x bofors 120mm(twin turret)
  • 1x SM-1(40 missiles)
  • 1x Sea Sparrow(16 missiles)
  • 8x RGM-84 Harpoon
  • 1x Goalkeeper CIWS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kortenaer_class_frigate
Kortenaer class
General purpose frigate, there to engage anything that got thrown at it
Armament:
  • 1x oto merala 76mm
  • 8x RGM-84 Harpoon
  • 1x 8-cell Sea Sparrow
  • 1x Goalkeeper CIWS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_van_ ... ss_frigate
Jacob van Heemskerck class
Air Defence version of Kortenaer class, where they replaced the helicopter by an SM-1 and more sensors
Armament:
  • 8x RGM-84 Harpoon
  • 1x SM-1(40 missiles)
  • 1x Sea Sparrow(8 + 16 missiles)
  • 1x Goalkeeper CIWS
  • 2x 20mm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Speijk-class_frigate
Van Speijk class
Replacement of hte old destroyer escorts, edited version of British Leander class frigate
Armament:
  • 1x oto merala 76mm
  • 2x twin Simbad launcher(Mistral)
  • 8x RGM-84 Harpoon

Pushing the edge of the timeframe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karel_Door ... ss_frigate
Karel Doorman class
Multipurpose frigate, commissioned 1991
Armament:
  • 1x oto merala 76mm
  • 16x Sea Sparrow VLS
  • 8x RGM-84 Harpoon
  • 1x goalkeeper CIWS

Others:
P-3 Orion
Definitely not uniquely Dutch, but I think it'd be nice to have, a plane that has good naval detection, high loiter time and the capability to carry harpoons to pick off targets of opportunity.

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Re: [Non-included nation] NETHERLANDS

Postby victis honor » Tue 20 May 2014 09:28

One of the "De Zeven Provinciën"-class cruiser is still in service in Peru as far as i know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Almirante_Grau_(CLM-81)

There was or is a group of Dutch people who want to buy it when it gets decommissioned and turn it into a museum ship but its been a long time since i read anything about it.

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Postby Yaxxo » Tue 20 May 2014 09:31

victis honor wrote:One of the "De Zeven Provinciën"-class cruiser is still in service in Peru as far as i know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Almirante_Grau_(CLM-81)

You're right, it's still in service. I wrote that it was decommissioned in '75, because that's when it was decommissioned for the Dutch, and it stopped being relevant.

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Re: [Non-included nation] NETHERLANDS

Postby Kinglorre » Thu 10 Jul 2014 18:54

A great injustice has been rectified,

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... =284055216
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/802 ... 987D72B7C/

Dutchmen, we annex Denmark, its the only way.

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Postby Lord Helmchen » Thu 10 Jul 2014 19:01

Kinglorre wrote:A great injustice has been rectified,

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... =284055216
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/802 ... 987D72B7C/

Dutchmen, we annex Denmark, its the only way.

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Re: [Non-included nation] NETHERLANDS

Postby Psycho_Yuri » Thu 11 Sep 2014 13:17

Still hoping, that this nation will be added sooner or later... :p
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Re: [Non-included nation] NETHERLANDS

Postby Mikeboy » Thu 11 Sep 2014 16:35

Basically all the models are in now that SK has the AIFV.

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Postby cramble » Sun 21 Sep 2014 19:54

Update on Planes. 21-9-14

This features the dutch army till the year 1995.

So this list is the one that is posted on the 1st post with tweaks and moving up the line in time frame of red dragon.
Green means new edit to the list red means edited or removed.

Logistic
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M38A1 Nekaf: NEW
In dutch service from 1955 and well used until the 90's. Replacement of the well known willys jeep.

Land rover CP:
In dutch service from 1974. Some history:Between 1972 and 1976, the Dutch army tested the landrover as a replacement for the M38A1 Nekaf. Different terrain vehicles where tested such as the Jeep, Land Rover, DAF and the Toyota LandCruiser. The Toyota came in as the best out of the tests don by the Dutch army. However, the Dutch government was not to buy these, because Japan didnt place a counter order from the Dutch industry. Another reason was that British Leyland was in trouble and was dying to get a large order. As a result, the Dutch army could buy Land Rovers for a low price. The Land Rovers were not paid in cash but in goods from the Netherlands. Our army was about 4400 light-weights (half of which came in MOB) and about 1,100 109s (¾ tonne trucks and ambulances). The Land Rovers were delivered between 1972 and 1982. The Land Rovers would be in service for 15 years until it would be replaced.

YP-408 PWCO:
(De Pantser Wiel COmmandovoering-uitvoering), or Command vehicle armed with a 50.cal machine gun. In dutch service from 1964 till 1989.

m577:
1980's more info later

YPR-765 PRCO-C:
(De Pantser Rups COmmando-uitvoering 'C') or Command vehicle is armed with a 50.cal machine gun and has more room for command then the B version that was in the list before with was armed with a 25mm-Oerlikon. In Dutch service from 1977 till 2008 wen it was being replaced by the cv-90's.

Leopard 1 Command tank:
Info will come later.

DAF YA 328:
This 8 wheeled 3 ton truck was used as the main logistics truck for the dutch army from 1952 till the mid 70's wen it would be replaced by the DAF YA 4440 / 4442.

DAF YA 4440 / 4442: NEW
The replacement of the YA 328 was a 4 wheeled 4 ton truck used as a transport and logistic truck from 1976 and still in use its the truck that still tows or patriot missile systems.

AMX-PRVR: NEW
A AMX-VCI but then a cargo version. It could carry up to 3 tons of supply's. In dutch service from 1961 till 1978 (replaced by the YPR-765.)

YP-408 PW-V:
(Pantser Wiel Vracht-uitvoering) A armored logistic unit that could carry 1.5 tons of supply's. In dutch service from 1964 till 1989.

YPR-765 PRVR:
(Pantser Rups VRacht-uitvoering) A armored logistic unit that could carry ....tons of supply's. In Dutch service from 1977 till 2008 wen it was being replaced by the cv-90's.


Recon
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M38A1 Nekaf: NEW
In dutch service from 1955 and well used until the 90's. Replacement of the well known willys jeep.

Land Rover:
In dutch service from 1974. Some history:Between 1972 and 1976, the Dutch army tested the landrover as a replacement for the M38A1 Nekaf. Different terrain vehicles where tested such as the Jeep, Land Rover, DAF and the Toyota LandCruiser. The Toyota came in as the best out of the tests don by the Dutch army. However, the Dutch government was not to buy these, because Japan didnt place a counter order from the Dutch industry. Another reason was that British Leyland was in trouble and was dying to get a large order. As a result, the Dutch army could buy Land Rovers for a low price. The Land Rovers were not paid in cash but in goods from the Netherlands. Our army was about 4400 light-weights (half of which came in MOB) and about 1,100 109s (¾ tonne trucks and ambulances). The Land Rovers were delivered between 1972 and 1982. The Land Rovers would be in service for 15 years until it would be replaced.

YP-408 PW-RDR:
(Pantser Wiel RaDaR) Was a wheeled radar equipped vehicle with a mounted 50. cal machine gun. Using a British ZB 298 army radar with could detect personal from 5km and vehicles from 10km. In Dutch service from 1977 till 1989.

M113 C&V:
The M113 Commando & Verkenning is the Dutch version and was first adopted in 1966 with a order of 250 vehicles of a total of 266 vehicles bought by the dutch. These used a 50.cal with a m26 cupola turret. In the 1970's atleast 250 of them where upgraded with a GBU-ADA one man turret with a 25mm Oerlikon autocannon. In Dutch service from 1966 well into the 90's.

M113 C&V 25mm:
The M113 Commando & Verkenning is the Dutch version and was first adopted in 1966 with a order of 250 vehicles of a total of 266 vehicles bought by the dutch. These used a 50.cal with a m26 cupola turret. In the 1970's atleast 250 of them where upgraded with a GBU-ADA one man turret with a 25mm Oerlikon autocannon. In Dutch service from 1970's well into the 90's.

YPR-765 PR-RDR:
( Pantser Rups RaDaR) Was a Tracked radar equipped vehicle with a mounted 50. cal machine gun. Using a British ZB 298 army radar with could detect personal from 5km and vehicles from 10km. In Dutch service from 1978 till 2008.

AMX-13/75: Removed
No indication that the Dutch army used the 75mm version.

AMX-13/FL-12:
The Netherlands was the first country to operate the 105 mm (4.13 in) version outside France (modele 1958), initially with the FL-12 standard turret, then upgraded with a laser rangefinder and thermal sleeve gun. This was the AMX-13/FL-12 modernized with searchlight and FN MAG machine-guns. Then the AMX-13/FL-15 was a Dutch FL-12 version refitted with an FL-15 turret, kept in service until the late 80s. VTTs were also largely employed and knew local variants. In all, Holland had 131 AMX-13s in service for its light tank battalions. In dutch service from 1960 till the late 1980's

AMX-13/FL-15:
The Netherlands was the first country to operate the 105 mm (4.13 in) version outside France (modele 1958), initially with the FL-12 standard turret, then upgraded with a laser rangefinder and thermal sleeve gun. This was the AMX-13/FL-12 modernized with searchlight and FN MAG machine-guns. Then the AMX-13/FL-15 was a Dutch FL-12 version refitted with an FL-15 turret, kept in service until the late 80s. VTTs were also largely employed and knew local variants. In all, Holland had 131 AMX-13s in service for its light tank battalions. In dutch service from 1960 till the late 1980's

Alouette III:
Info will come later.

Bo-105:
Info will come later.


Tanks:
Spoiler : :
centurion mk.5/2:
Info will come later.

leopard 1 nl:
Info will come later.

leopard 1-v:
Info will come later.

leopard 2:
The dutch army made a order of 445 leopard 2's in 1979 with the first being delivered in 1981 the dutch tanks came in the second and third building series of the leopard 2 tank with a FN MAG on top instead of the German mg3. These tanks would replace the centurion and amx13/105mm tank. In dutch service from 1981.

leopard 2a4:
All the 445 leopard 2's where upgraded every time they could up to the leopard 2A4 version.

Leopard 2a5: NEW
In 1993 the dutch army decided to lower the number of leopard 2a4 tanks to 330 and selling the remaining 115 to Austria.
Out of these remaining 330, 180 where upgraded to the a5 in 1993.

Centurion AVRE:
Info will come later.


Infantry Transport:
Spoiler : :
AMX-PRI:
Or the AMX-VCI is the dutch version armed with a 50.cal machine gun with a electrical turret. The AMX-PRI was only used by the mechanized units. In Dutch service from 1961 till 1978 wen being replaced by the YPR-765.

YP-408 PWI:
(Pantser Wiel Infanterie-uitvoering) Was a 8 wheeled armored vehicle used by the motorized troops of the dutch army together with the AMX-PRI. In Dutch service from 1964 till 1989 wen being replaced by the YPR-765.

YPR-765-50:
This is the main IFV of the Dutch army this one is fitted with the 50.cal machine gun. In Dutch service from 1977 till 2008.

YPR-765-25mm:
This is the main IFV of the Dutch army this one is fitted with the 25mm oerlikon autocannon. In Dutch service from 1977 till 2008.

Daf YA 328:
This 8 wheeled 3 ton truck was used as the main logistics truck for the dutch army from 1952 till the mid 70's wen it would be replaced by the DAF YA 4440 / 4442.

DAF YA 4440 / 4442: NEW
The replacement of the YA 328 was a 4 wheeled 4 ton truck used as a transport and logistic truck from 1976 and still in use its the truck that still tows or patriot missile systems.


Vehicles Anti Tank:
Spoiler : :
Jeep106mm: Removed
Removed to be replaced with the M38A1 Nekaf.

M38A1 Nekaf 106mm RR: NEW
A jeep mounted with a 106mm Reconciles rifle. In dutch service from 1955 and well used until the 90's. Replacement of the well known willys jeep.

M38A1 Nekaf TOW: NEW
Between 1983 and 1989 40 Nekaf jeeps have bin equipted with the TOW and later on upgraded to I-TOW. In Dutch service from 1983 till well into the 90's.

Land Rover TOW:
Info will come later.

Land Rover I-TOW:
Info will come later.

AMX-PRAT TOW:
AMX-VCI mounted with the TOW anti tank weapon.

YP-408 PWAT:
De Pantser Wiel Anti Tank is a YP 408 Mounted with a TOW anti tank weapon build on top of it in 1976 used till 1989

YPR-765 PRAT:
De Pantser Rups Anti Tank is the YPR-765 mounted with a M27 turret the same as bin used by the American M901 ITV with 2 I-TOW fixed and ready to be used. In dutch service from 1980 till 2008.


Support:Only AA is updated.
Spoiler : :
M19 GMC:
Info will come later.

Cheetah PRTL:
(Pantser Rups Tegen Luchtdoelen) Is the dutch name for the German Flakpanzer Gepard. Aldo the 2 vehicles where practically the same there was a diffrents in radar systems the 2 used. The dutch version was equipped with Philips radar systems. In Dutch service from 1977 till 2006.

Cheetah PRTL A1: NEW
(Pantser Rups Tegen Luchtdoelen) Or other wise known as the Flakpanzer Gepard where upgraded around the year 1988.

Leopard Marksman:
Info will come later. Not sure if this is ever used by the Dutch army.

All hawk systems and upgrades where used by the Dutch army until in 2004 they where put out of service. These where largely replaced by the MIM-104 Patriot.

M727 Hawk:
In Dutch service from 1965 till 2004.

M727 I-Hawk:
In Dutch service from 1965 till 2004.

M727 Hawk PIP I: NEW
In Dutch service from 1965 till 2004.

M727 Hawk PIP II: NEW
In Dutch service from 1965 till 2004.

M727 Hawk PIP III: NEW
In Dutch service from 1965 till 2004.

MIM-104 Patriot: NEW
(Phased Array Tracking to Intercept On Target) The Dutch army was the first together with the German to get the patriot missile system after the American. With the order placed in 1984 for 4 launchers and 160 rockets. The order was received in 1987 and has bin upgraded from PAC 1 to PAC 2 and in 2005 to PAC3. In Dutch service from 1987 and still in use.

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AMX-105:
Info will come later.

M109:
Info will come later.

M109A2:
Info will come later.

AMX F3 NL:
Info will come later.

M107:
Info will come later.

M110:
Info will come later.

M110A2:
Info will come later.

M270 MLRS
Info will come later.



Helicopters:
Spoiler : :
aulouette iii ss-11
ab204
bo-105cb
lynx uh-14a
lynx uh-14a sneb


Planes: Updated
Spoiler : :
KLU is the dutch name for the dutch airforce.

Hawker Hunter MK.4/6 NEW
In to service with the KLU in december 1955 up to the year 1968 in the bomber role.
Armament: 4x 30 mm Aden cannons with 4 underwing hardpoints for AIM-9 sidewinders, bombs, rockets or napalm.
The Hawker Hunter could carry up to 3400kg of payload.

F-86K 'KAASJAGER' (cheeshunter) NEW
Well known as the saber jet fighter aircraft. Used in the KLU as a fighter role only.
Delivered and entered service augustus 1955 and used till 1964.
Replaced by the F-104 Starfighter.
Armament: 4x 20mm M24A1 cannons and 2 aim sidewinders, or max payload of 1000kg.

Republic F-84 Thunderstreak NEW
The first planes where delivered in november 1955 and immediate replaced the Thunderjet. The KLU has used the F-84 till the 1970 wen the last one was put out of action.
Armament: 6x .50 cal Machine guns, Rockets, bombs and napalm up to 2720kg.

F-104G Starfighter
The well known starfighter became the new fighter/bomber for the KLU.
It begin replacing the F-84, F-86 and the hawker hunter in December 1962 and was well used until it would get replaced by the F-16 in the year 1980.
Note that the dutch KLU was the only nation to adopt the ECM module for the F-104. (more info coming)
Armament: 1x 20mm M61 Vulcan cannon. Central hanging point max weight 907kg. Wing hanging points, each wing 454kg, Aim sidewinders 2x on the center body, 1 under each wing and 1 on each wing tip, Making a total of 6 aim sidewinders.

NF-5 Freedom Fighter
The dutch KLU bought the Canadian build version of the NF-5.
The first dutch NF-5's where flown in 1969 and stayed in dutch service till 1991.
It was primary used as a ground bomber.
Armament: 2× 20 mm (0.787 in) Pontiac M39A2 cannons. 2x AIM sidewinders on the wing tops, 5 hardpoints with can carry up to 3200 kg of bombs, rockets, napalm or cluster ordnance.

F-16 Fighting Falcon
The KLU purchased a total of 213 F-16A/B aircraft. The Netherlands were one of the four European Participating Air Forces, and one of 5 countries to build the F-16 locally.
The first dutch F-16A block 1 was ready in 1979 and is still in use by the KLU.

The initial order:
-F-16 A/B Block1 18 build between 1979-1980.
-F-16 A/B Block5 16 build between 1980-1981.
-F-16 A/B Block10 25 build between 1981-1982.
-F-16 A/B Block15 43 build between 1982-1984.

The follow-on order:
-F16 A/B Block15 59 build between 1984-1987.
-F16 A/B Block15OCU 52 build between 1987-1992.

Armament: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A1 Vulcan. Zuni, Hydra rockets. AIM9 Sidewinders, AAIM120 AMRAAM missiles. Mark 82,83,84, GBU Paveway bombs. AGM-84 Harpoon anti ship missiles. aswell as napalm or cluster ordnance.


Ships:
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Re: [Non-included nation] NETHERLANDS

Postby chema1994 » Mon 22 Sep 2014 16:34

And if they let us make a German-Dutch coalition deck it would be even better 8-)
Nice stuff, and it seems that the dutch would have the oldest US plane (F-86) :lol:

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Postby cramble » Mon 22 Sep 2014 17:15

chema1994 wrote:Nice stuff, and it seems that the dutch would have the oldest US plane (F-86) :lol:


Yes indeed. But the version in game is even older it still uses 6x 50.cal machine guns. The dutch used the K version with was fitted with 4x 20mm auto cannons. The outside also looks different from the ingame version.

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I would love to see more of those old planes flying in wargame, My hopes still are that we will see the Hawker Hunter coming in game for the scandi's.

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