Islamic State/Coalition Bombing Mega Thread

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Postby Aubustou » Sat 21 Nov 2015 10:39

FN6 from Ukraine?
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Postby ikalugin » Sat 21 Nov 2015 11:16

Aubustou wrote:FN6 from Ukraine?

Allegedly yes.

http://forumimage.ru/show/103078352
Infographic of the more recent strikes, it shows the ammount of aircraft used, the bases used, the ammout of cruise missiles launched.

I don't think that the ammount of CM used in the campaighn is at all impressive (when compared to the Lybia for example), however ISIS (or other rebel factions in Syria) lack the target sets you need cruise missiles for, hence I think that the ammount we have used is sufficient, for demonstration and training purposes.

Demonstration of capability/training appears to be the primary driver behind this, with launches from Iranian air space (missiles launched from those areas could reach throught the Gulf Monarchies), Mediteranian (range and refuelling) launch is also interesting.

You could aslo see the Su34s operating out of Russia, delivering strikes in Syria. Unless we were overflying Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan then the combat radius is around 2500km for ISIS targets or more for the non ISIS ones.
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Postby Double » Sat 21 Nov 2015 15:07

frostypooky wrote:that is an interesting opinion

sep 2014 syria
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U know that in Syria, Russians did more strikes in month than whole US led coalition in year and a half, right?

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Postby Lord Helmchen » Sat 21 Nov 2015 15:09

Double wrote:
frostypooky wrote:that is an interesting opinion

sep 2014 syria
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nov 2015 syria
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U know that in Syria, Russians did more strikes in month than whole US led coalition in year and a half, right?

I'd also bomb a lot to keep my man in charge to keep my only mediterranean military port running.
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Postby ikalugin » Sat 21 Nov 2015 15:10

I don't think that we got to US lead coalition levels quite yet, but the intensity is the same or higher it appears.
I'd also bomb a lot to keep my man in charge to keep my only mediterranean military port running.

We prefer to bomb dangerous kebab in ME rather than North Caucasus or Central Asia.
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Postby Double » Sat 21 Nov 2015 15:28

http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0814_Inherent-Resolve
- 2857 strikes in Syria by US led coalition (year an a half)
http://syria.mil.ru/news/more.htm?id=12066124
- 4111 strikes in Syria by VVS (48 days)

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Postby SpeisCheese » Sat 21 Nov 2015 16:22

Double wrote:http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0814_Inherent-Resolve
- 2857 strikes in Syria by US led coalition (year an a half)
http://syria.mil.ru/news/more.htm?id=12066124
- 4111 strikes in Syria by VVS (48 days)

What about civilian casualities on both sides?

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Postby Nequit » Sat 21 Nov 2015 18:05

SpeisCheese wrote:
Double wrote:http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0814_Inherent-Resolve
- 2857 strikes in Syria by US led coalition (year an a half)
http://syria.mil.ru/news/more.htm?id=12066124
- 4111 strikes in Syria by VVS (48 days)

What about civilian casualities on both sides?

Between 60 and 110 civilians killed by the US lead coation.
For Russia:
the Britain-based Observatory said it had documented 1,331 deaths in Russian air strikes, most of them of Islamic State group jihadists or other fighters..

It said 381 IS fighters had been killed, along with 547 militants from Al-Qaeda affiliate Al-Nusra Front and other rebel forces.

The strikes also killed 403 civilians, including 97 children, according to the monitor.

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Postby Double » Sat 21 Nov 2015 18:12

Nequit wrote:Between 60 and 110 civilians killed by the US lead coation.
For Russia:
the Britain-based Observatory said it had documented 1,331 deaths in Russian air strikes, most of them of Islamic State group jihadists or other fighters..

It said 381 IS fighters had been killed, along with 547 militants from Al-Qaeda affiliate Al-Nusra Front and other rebel forces.

The strikes also killed 403 civilians, including 97 children, according to the monitor.


sources?

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Postby DrRansom » Sat 21 Nov 2015 18:17

delfo wrote:And the suggestion that ISIS has been allowed to thrive for a year comes out of what ? When they captured the SAA bases around Tadmur including the armor inside who allowed them anything ? Similarly when they pushed into Hasakah with a strength of a division no one was giving them anything. They have tunnel networks, they line the sides of foxholes with aluminum foil to mask thermal readings. They mine every inch of ground they capture making recaptures a month long experience for company of engineers and sappers. We should understand that a base barbaric philosophy doesn't mean a military incompetent structure or lack of ingenuity in the art of war. If they meet almost any opposing force in Iraq or Syria at anything close to equal terms ( air support, armorn, artilery ) they cream them. They literally paint the walls with them.

The only people you can point a finger at for truelly allowing them are Erdogan and his bunch.
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Also the lack of ugency bit. When they started they posted a map of what they wanted to conquer. A few years back. And we're talking about a lack of urgency today. For years an organization that had stated it's goal is to end Europe as we know it operated and the public of Europe and the West couldn't stand behind politically to support a full scale engagement. There's your lack of urgency. And now we ask were are the results? There are no results, they are not a group of tribesmen you can bash in. Nor are their weapons something you can explain via oil revenue. 1 milion a day times 365 times still doesn't cover what they caputered in a few days in Mosul or around Tadmur when you add the smuggling costs for tanks and apcs.



Delfo - I think you misunderstood my complaint. I wasn't blaming Syrians or Iraqis for the present state of the war. Rather, my blame was on European countries and the united states for not taking action earlier, especially to pressure turkey. Now the situation appears much worse. If ISIS mines the territory it takes and is that militarily competent, then only a massed intervention can dig then out. But who can do that?

So, the situation is bad, the west let Syria burn for a year and now faces a huge threat at home.

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