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Postby Kolovrat » Sat 19 Mar 2016 00:07

Guggy wrote:Russia didnt do very well bombing ISIS tbh.

Bad bombing 2016.


I believe our VKS were eager to repeat a 2015' show like this

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..but unfortunately there was not enough enemy left. So our VKS were basically restricted to CAS like this

Spoiler : :


Still quite effective, but, I must agree, not that spectacular.

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Postby delfo » Sat 19 Mar 2016 01:22

Kolovrat wrote:
Guggy wrote:Russia didnt do very well bombing ISIS tbh.

Bad bombing 2016.


I believe our VKS were eager to repeat a 2015' show like this

Spoiler : :


..but unfortunately there was not enough enemy left. So our VKS were basically restricted to CAS like this

Spoiler : :


Still quite effective, but, I must agree, not that spectacular.


In this case I believe I would side with Guggy wholeheartedly.

The ammount of bombing the Russian air force directed at ISIS was effective in only one sector of the front (Kweries) and when it comes to the aleppo supply road which is part of that area. Even then the losses suffered by the regime in that sector are greater than ISIS. Mostly due to ISIS employing massed SVBIEDs in groups as a mean to break up attacks and they also possessed captured high end ATGMs ( Metis-Ms are most comonly used there, from stocks of the SAA ). The SAA for example still hasn't released the data from the battalion that was surrounded and then destroyed at Khanasir. They only released the data for the people killed in their operation to re-open the roan. Which in the other stretch from Hama to Ithuya is still disputed due to ISIS controlling a key high ground. It is traversable with armor at risk.

In Tadmur the advance is costing heavy losses but ISIS isn't breaking in the face of Mi 24 pairs operating daily.

In terms of there being not enough targets. I believe the advanceof the Cizre YPG towards the Al Shaddadi and their daily support from coalition planes is indicative of that. Same for Kobane canton in Tisrin dam.

In those operation, the fighting to keep the postions and then the infiltration attack ISIS tried to do on Tel Abyad 3000-4000 ISIS fighters have been killed.

Saying that there aren't enough ISIS fighters isn't realistic. The bombing Russia did wasn't directed at them. The majority of it was in Western Aleppo, Latakia, Hama, Damascus and Sheikh Miskin. Even in Damascus the ISIS pocket isn't attacked as it has a ceasefire with the SAA and an agreement the ISIS fighters there to be moved back to ISIS lines by the SAA. The other pockets do not have that and are under siege.

Furthermore the ability of ISIS to operate was not hampered by the Russian operations. The Khanasir road attack for 2 weeks with 150 -200 dead by ISIS inflicted similar losses on the counter attacking force and the defending force that got surrounded in the first place isn't even discussed. It also didn't improve SAA rear area defenses. Damascus and Homs got targeted in virtually the same areas by massed double tap suicide bombings causing alawites request a change of the military governers but that failed to improve the defense.

What also remains is that there is practically no SAA left to fill in those losses so when territory is lost and then recaptured with Iranian backed militias they are the ones staying there:

https://twitter.com/Zarathoustra96/stat ... 0824138752

That made the idea of retraining and improving the quality of the SAA impossible. They couldn't afford the downtime anywhere.

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Postby delfo » Sat 19 Mar 2016 05:24

An analysis on the UK costs for the intervention in Libya which goes to over 1,25 billion pounds with less involvement and a lot less strikes and strategic airlifts. Additionally it didn't feature a Syrian express with the travels by the landing ships to deliver the supplies :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... li=1#gid=0

That actually puts into question all the claims made by Putin for the price of the operation.

Based on this:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... ibya-costs

The thing that should be taken away is that the cost given by the UK's government on the intervention officially stood at 260 million pounds.

Expect Janes to publish a rebuttal of the claimed costs by Putin soon.

Things that should also be accounted for are the two Airbases and the expansion and civil works on their perimeters. Sheriyat airbase also had some repaving done. There's also the civilian register where people can find out what the price of the new freighters is.

The 33 billion Rubles is a number picked at random at this point.

EDIT: had written a trillion there by mistake when it comes to pounds.

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Postby Excroat3 » Sat 19 Mar 2016 06:12

Boeing 737 crashes in Russia. Already claims of terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDgHohMOxKk
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Postby delfo » Sat 19 Mar 2016 06:25

Excroat3 wrote:Boeing 737 crashes in Russia. Already claims of terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDgHohMOxKk


What is the age of the airframe ? Also close to 404. It could turn into one of those discussions. And looking at the comments on that video. It already has on youtube. Darn my friend from Canada has a sister who just started at an Emirati airline.

Looks like something wasn't right with the plane as this was the second attempt to land and it circled for 2 hours.

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Postby Kolovrat » Sat 19 Mar 2016 14:36

Excroat3 wrote:Boeing 737 crashes in Russia. Already claims of terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDgHohMOxKk


Strong crosswind is a primary suspect.

"Windspeed was about 12-14 m/s, with gusts up to 18-19 m/s all night"

Spoiler : :
скорость ветра в течение всей ночи составляла 12–14 м/с, при порывах достигая 18–19 м/с.

http://www.rbc.ru/society/19/03/2016/56ed06669a7947608155272a?from=main


Then why they gave Boeing permission to land?

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Postby delfo » Sat 19 Mar 2016 15:02

Kolovrat wrote:
Excroat3 wrote:Boeing 737 crashes in Russia. Already claims of terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDgHohMOxKk


Strong crosswind is a primary suspect.

"Windspeed was about 12-14 m/s, with gusts up to 18-19 m/s all night"

Spoiler : :
скорость ветра в течение всей ночи составляла 12–14 м/с, при порывах достигая 18–19 м/с.

http://www.rbc.ru/society/19/03/2016/56ed06669a7947608155272a?from=main


Then why they gave Boeing permission to land?


It seems to be nosediving and not landing on the second attempt in the footage and is bright in a zephyr pattern. They could have had serious issues and had to land.

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Postby delfo » Sat 19 Mar 2016 15:30

And then there's this gem:
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/ ... 4023115777

BREAKING from @AFP - Lawyer says Paris suspect Salah Abdeslam will oppose extradition to France from Belgium


So he thinks he will have a better chance in Belgium, the country that had the military with APCs on the streets of Brussels to counter terrorist plots on New Years? Ok....

Based on that Belgium is more likely to have a more expediant trial.

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Postby Frencho » Sat 19 Mar 2016 15:40

Nonsense Salah Abdeslam is going to Paris.
He can contest extradition all he wants, it's just a delay tactic.
The DGSI wants to have a word with him.

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Postby Grabbed_by_the_Spets » Sat 19 Mar 2016 17:27

Russian bombing was probably ineffective in the long haul, but that's because most bombings of ISIS are ineffective. ISIS, a derivative of Al-Qaeda, which is yet again a derivative of the Mujahideen have been bombed for decades by now, and have learned effective tactics against aerial strikes.

Although I have no doubt the airstrikes hampered the logistics of ISIS, the biggest effect Russia has made is by it's boots on the ground.
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