Islamic State/Coalition Bombing Mega Thread

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Postby Yakhont » Wed 28 Sep 2016 08:48

The Assad regeime gets considerable materiel and financial support from external powers such as Iran and Russia. It seems China has some ties but the extent of which is unclear.

There are no exact figures but it can be said that the regeime is dependent on them for survival.

The various rebel groups are also dependent on foreign support too. As long as external sources of manpower and equipment can be sent in the ability for war fighting will remain.
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Postby delfo » Wed 28 Sep 2016 09:07

Yakhont wrote:The Assad regeime gets considerable materiel and financial support from external powers such as Iran and Russia. It seems China has some ties but the extent of which is unclear.

There are no exact figures but it can be said that the regeime is dependent on them for survival.

The various rebel groups are also dependent on foreign support too. As long as external sources of manpower and equipment can be sent in the ability for war fighting will remain.


Heavy equipment is taken from Assad's stocks. He loses 4 - 6 times as much as his oppostion on a good week.

For the next 2-3 months any large scale fighting in Aleppo would be a blunder. There's no fuel, ammo and the armor has to be brought via Hama.

Iran can shuttle Iraqi militias but they come without those. The Nyarab Airbase is also in range of ATGMs.

As for Assad being dependent ? Yes. Entirely. Iran pulls the plug on him he collapses in weeks.

For example this is Hama in the last 30 days ( half of which Jund Al Aqsa was under attack by Ahrar al Sham, because Ahrar Al Sham and everybody else in the world thinks Jund Al Aqsa is too much like ISIS )

http://imgur.com/a/5ahL7

Those are the documented armored loses. Technicals are not listed there. Supply trucks, guns, ammo caches and so on are also omitted.

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Postby 47andrej » Wed 28 Sep 2016 18:01

delfo wrote:And Russia is better because it lies all the time and is doing outright genocide, not just a throat here or there when the Jihadi winds blow ?

...genocide...throat here and there...oh boy.

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Postby zervostyrd » Wed 28 Sep 2016 19:59

delfo wrote:For example this is Hama in the last 30 days ( half of which Jund Al Aqsa was under attack by Ahrar al Sham, because Ahrar Al Sham and everybody else in the world thinks Jund Al Aqsa is too much like ISIS ) .


And Ahrar Al Sham, and everybody else in this world don't think that Ahrar Al Sham is too much like ISIS? Or how nittpick is this scale we're using?

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Postby delfo » Wed 28 Sep 2016 21:06

zervostyrd wrote:
delfo wrote:For example this is Hama in the last 30 days ( half of which Jund Al Aqsa was under attack by Ahrar al Sham, because Ahrar Al Sham and everybody else in the world thinks Jund Al Aqsa is too much like ISIS ) .


And Ahrar Al Sham, and everybody else in this world don't think that Ahrar Al Sham is too much like ISIS? Or how nittpick is this scale we're using?



Given that they agree to arbitration and don't interfere with civilian set up governments in Iblib governate and are for democratic pluralism even though they work with jihadi groups but a lot of the time act more like revolutionary Islamists, yeah, there are several groups that get closer to ISIS before you get to Ahrar.

Also Ahrar al Sham was the one attacking Jund Al Aqsa. If someone else was attacking them ( or if someone else had released a public statement explaining why they halted the operation in Hama to take out a rear base of another group providing infantry for the advance, sure, but that's how the battle went ).

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delfo wrote:And Russia is better because it lies all the time and is doing outright genocide, not just a throat here or there when the Jihadi winds blow ?

...genocide...throat here and there...oh boy.


No, you convinced people Russia's done nothing wrong and a year of non stop warcrimes where you have videos showing and bragging about destroying things like water supply and hospitals is all made up propaganda for the big screen. If only it wasn't coming from the MOD's briefings.

But, yes it's genocide. When Russia's killed more civilians than ISIS it's that. Terrorism and Genocide.

Also given the groups that Russia sells tanks to... Well Russia has no issue with jihadists or beheadings.

Oh and pardon my tone for sounding as if I trivialize violence too much but having to deal with Russians who refer to everyone not in Assad areas as "kek remove kebab" and then get offended just for the optics for every casualty in loayalist areas and playing willfullly ignorant as if they hold any moral high ground tires you.


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Re: Islamic State/Coalition Bombing Mega Thread

Postby zebtucker » Fri 30 Sep 2016 10:09

Yakhont wrote:The Assad regeime gets considerable materiel and financial support from external powers such as Iran and Russia. It seems China has some ties but the extent of which is unclear.

There are no exact figures but it can be said that the regeime is dependent on them for survival.

The various rebel groups are also dependent on foreign support too. As long as external sources of manpower and equipment can be sent in the ability for war fighting will remain.

Thanks ,do you know if it is out of necessity or somthing ells that cause assad to use barrel bombs?

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Postby delfo » Fri 30 Sep 2016 12:34

zebtucker wrote:
Yakhont wrote:The Assad regeime gets considerable materiel and financial support from external powers such as Iran and Russia. It seems China has some ties but the extent of which is unclear.

There are no exact figures but it can be said that the regeime is dependent on them for survival.

The various rebel groups are also dependent on foreign support too. As long as external sources of manpower and equipment can be sent in the ability for war fighting will remain.

Thanks ,do you know if it is out of necessity or somthing ells that cause assad to use barrel bombs?


A guy called the Tiger with his local militia called Chetah Force 6 that popped up in 2013 around Hama thought it would be a good terror weapon for mass consumption given that the SyAAF was low on FABs.

Yakhont will give you the same story but with different words to make the SAA sound remotely competent and palpable. They're not.


Also that thing about the BM 21 stopping an armored column reminds me of someone... Someone with whom Yakhont used to do circle jerks.

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Re: Islamic State/Coalition Bombing Mega Thread

Postby zebtucker » Fri 30 Sep 2016 15:01

Whats your view on bm21 vs a armoured coloum delfo?

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Re: Islamic State/Coalition Bombing Mega Thread

Postby delfo » Fri 30 Sep 2016 15:24

zebtucker wrote:Whats your view on bm21 vs a armoured coloum delfo?


Unlike yours, mine's realistic.

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