[Non/Future-included nation] Gulf/Arab Kingdoms

[icehawk308]

Gulf Monarchies/ Arab Kingdoms (pre Gulf Cooperation Council)


This thread will examine the potential collaboration of Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as a pro-BLUE coalition equalizing against the Arab Republics of Syria and Iraq.viewtopic.php?f=104&t=50263 as well as potentially, Israel
viewtopic.php?f=104&t=50251.

The Kingdom coalition provides a mix of high/low units to serve an effective battlefield counter to the Federation of Arab Republics (FAR).
Jordan provides interesting RED AA assets (Osa, ZSU, Strela), heavy artillery (M110s) and potentially the only heavy APC (Temsah). BMP-2 is available to both Jordan and Kuwait as a interesting BLUE IFV.

Tank wise a mix of Cheiftains and M48/60s provides the backbone of the force. High tier assets include several M1A2 tanks as well as Challenger 1 for a effective heavy force.

Saudi Arabia provides strong motorized deck with very strong mortar section (7 different SP mortars ) wheeled Vulcan and Crotales for motor section; and several radar recon vehicles for good battlefield eyes. Apaches provide effective helicopter force. ASTROS mlrs provides light cluster as a first for the BLUE forces. Balanced navy of ships, coastal artillery, helicopter and ASHM strikers aids in this regard.

Kuwait provides strong prototypes with Pandur IFV, BMP-3, Desert Warrior IFVs, PLZ-45 howitzer and F/A-18 ASuW striker.

Overall armored, motorized & mechanized decks should do quite well in this coalition. dual SEAD assets as well as Saudi F-15s make a effective airforce assets.


First off:
Jordan

The Hashemite Kingdom is not known to have an attack plan against any of its neighbors. Jordan's investment priorities in the 1990s, for example, focused on anti aircraft and anti-tank equipment in order to fend off any attack. However, Jordan does have offensive plans on the tactical level. Such plans are to be implemented in case of a defensive war and they mainly revolve around special operations, a specialty of the JAA for many years and especially since 1996 and the establishment of the Special Operations Command for that purpose.

The overall defensive doctrine of the Jordanian forces reflects a synthesis of British and American principles modified to suit Jordanian needs and capabilities. A key premise is that Jordan will only have to fight on one front and that in a military confrontation with Israel the kingdom will not
fight alone. After the signing of the 1994 peace agreement with Israel the chances of such a confrontation are slim. Still, Jordan could expect that an Israel-Syria or Israel-Iraq confrontation could drag in Jordan and result in military operations and confrontations on its territory. This could also happen if two warring parties fought an aerial war over the heads of Jordanians

http://www.gloria-center.org/meria/2001/06/bligh.pdf

[*] Designates OOTF/Proto/

Infantry

Jordan Royal Guard

Royal Guard Brigade - Hamza Ibn Abd Al-Muttalib (Sayed Al-Shuhada) is a unit of the Jordanian Armed Forces, Royal Guard Brigade is considered the largest, most professional and highly capable brigade in JAF.

The Royal Guards are based in Amman. The members of the Royal Guards brigade are normally of bedouin background, and their role is to guard the king, the royal family, the various royal palaces and key installations. The Royal Guards come under the operational control of the Joint Special Operations Command. There is also a special bodyguard unit assigned to King Abdullah, called the Security and Protection Unit of the Supreme Commander. It was commanded by the king's brother, Prince Ali.

Higher vet infantry squad.

37th Royal Special Forces Brigade

10/15 man commando team

28th Royal Rangers Brigade

Would serve as a higher vet airmobile infantry/light infantry squad.

INF Weapons:
H&K G3
H&K MP5
M1 Carabine
M16 (Jordan was an early user as soon as 1970s)

HK21
M60
FN MAG

AA Weapons:
Redeye 1975
Strela-2 1981
Strela-3 1985

AT Weapons:
Super Bazooka
Dragon ATGM 1975
LAW-80 1987
APILAS 1984
RPG-26
[*]RPG-27
[*]AT-14 Kornet

APC/IFVs:
M113A2 APC 1972
BMP-2 1986
[*]AB14 Temsah 2000

Heavy IFV based off the Centurion chassis.
[*]Spartan APC 2000

Motor APC:
Saracen 1960
EE-11 Urutu 1987


Helicopters:
S-76 Spirit 1980

332 Super Puma 1987

[*]Bell 205 1994
[*]UH-60A 1994

Support:
Seacat/ Tigercat 1970

HAWK SAM 1976
M163 VADS 1978
Osa 1982
ZSU-23-4 1982
Strela-10 1986
[*]Pantsir-S1
[*]Gepard
[*]Marksman (proto) on Centurion, M48 or Cheiftain chassis. Jordan was a potential export customer. Could replace IRL Gepard SPAAGs purchased after cold war.

M48 Patton Marksman

M106 Mortar
M44 155mm 1966

M52 105mm 1970

M109A1 1974
M110 1978
M110A2 1982


Tanks
M47/48 Patton 1965
Centurion 1973
M60A1 1980
M60A3 1980
M48A5 1982
Khalid 1981

The Khalid is essentially the FV4030/2 MBT with minor modifications to suit Jordanian requirements; it is based on a late production Chieftain with major changes in the fire-control system and new power pack. The power pack consists of the Perkins Engines Company Condor V-12 1200 diesel, the David Brown Defence Equipment Limited TN37 transmission and a cooling system by Howden Aircontrol.

The Perkins Engines Company Condor V-12 1200 is a 60° V-form, 12-cylinder, direct injection, four-cycle, compression ignition engine which develops 1,200 hp at 2,300 rpm. The power packs for the Khalid (FV4030/2) and Challenger 1 are almost identical and both have twin electric starters.

Cheiftain mk2/5 1988 (captured and donated from Iraq in Iraq-Iran war)
[*]Challenger 1 1999
[*]Falcon 1 (AB9C4) 2003? Modernized Centurion hull with new slimmer autoloaded turret.


Recon

61s Spec Rec Regiment

Could serve as an elite 2/5 man recon squad.

101st Special Forces
Bedouin Scout teams, 5/10 men recon squad.

Alouette-3 1965
Ferret 1967
Scorpion 1988
Recon Jeeps


Vehicles
M901 ITV 1980
TOW 1973 on Jeep platform
M42 Duster 1970
RRs on M113 & Jeep platforms
Saladin Car 1964
Chariotter MK-7 84.6mm TD 1953

Archer 76mm TD 1953


Helicopters
MD-500 Defender

AH-1S Cobra 1984?


AirForce

Air Superiority

F-104A 1969

4x AIM-9 Sidewinder IR AAM.

Mirage F1CJ 1981

2x Matra Magic IR AAM, 2x Super 530 SARH AAM.

[*]F-16ADF 1996

4x AIM-7 Sparrow SARH AAM, 2x AIM-9 Sidewinder IR AAM.

Anti-Tank

F-5E 1974

2x AGM-65 Maverick AGM

CASA C-101 1987

4x Cluster CBU?

Bomber

F-5A 1974

3x Mk83 500kg Bomb

Multi-Role

Mirage F1EJ 1982

2x Matra Magic IR AAM, 2x AS-30L AGM

Overall Jordan presents itself as an interesting nation. Its infantry forces sport a mix of eastern and western AT/IRSAM weapons, and BMP-2 IFVs. Interesting special forces additions could make this an fun nation to play. Its support section bristles with decent mix of Soviet SAM systems and a fair mix of tube artillery. The tank section is respectable as well with M60 as well as Cheiftain variants. Potential protos include Chally1 & Falcon 1. Lastly its airforce is small but varied and diverse, with only SEAD being its only visible weakness.

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Saudi Arabia


Saudi Arabian Armed forces feature primarily French and American weapons purchases with a hint of UK. As such its capabilities will spread among these three majors. Both mechanized and motorized sections feature strong diversity of support assets with strong ATGM, Mortar and AD focus. Several radar vehicles provide exceptional ground recon.

Infantry

Saudi National Guard

The Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG; Arabic: الحرس الوطني, al-Ḥaras al-Waṭanī‎; also known as the White Army) is one of the three major branches of the Armed Forces of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The national guard is under the administrative control of the Ministry of the National Guard, instead of the Ministry of Defence.

The Saudi Arabian National Guard has a standing force of 100,000 troops and a tribal militia of 25,000 troops. It serves both as a defence force against external attack but also as a security force against internal threats. Its duties include protecting the House of Saud, guarding against military coups, guarding strategic facilities and resources, and providing security for the cities of Mecca and Medina. It reports directly to the King through the Minister of the National Guard, and so unlike the rest of the Saudi Armed Forces is not under the control of the Ministry of Defense, as its command structure and communication network are separate.

Its personnel are drawn from tribes loyal to the King and the royal family, whose high-ranking members are always appointed its commander. It has been described as an institution that "ties the tribes to the House of Saud" (by Sandra Mackey).[1] It also draws recruits from official Wahhabi religious establishment. [2] It differs from the army in that its officers command units (e.g. battalions) "largely made up of their own tribal cousins, which makes the leaders and their followers less susceptible to subversive ideas and outside ideologies."

According to journalist John R. Bradley, it is "one of the best-trained and well-equipped armies in the world." The force was extensively reorganised and retrained by the Vinnell Corporation (using over a thousand U.S. Vietnam War veterans) in the 1980s and performed well in the Persian Gulf War/Operation Desert Storm especially in the Battle of Khafji. The United States' support for the SANG has been delivered both through private contractors and the U.S. Army's Office of the Program Manager Saudi Arabian National Guard Modernization Program.

Would likely work well as a higher veterancy light infantry. AKMS, RR/Dragon ATGM, MG

National Guard Tribal Militia - part of the National guard the tribal levy serves as a reserve and militia force. Likely equipped with FN FAL & M67 RR or Super Bazooka?
RSLF Royal Guard
RSLF Airborne Brigade
RSLF Special Forces (few companies strength)

Weapons:
FN FAL
H&K G-33
H&K MP5
Steyr AUG 1980+
SIG SG550 (marine)

Elite formations of the RSLF however use different equipment, all of 5.56mm . The RSLF Royal Guard Regiment for instance use the Heckler & Koch HK33, while the RSLF Special Forces have long used the M16A1. The RSLF Airborne Brigade is issued with the Steyr AUG.

FAL HBAR
Steyr AUG/HBAR

AT Weapons:
90mm M67 RR
Carl Gustav RR
APILAS
Vickers Vigilant 1964

M47 Dragon 1977

AA Weapons:
Redeye 1973
Stinger 1984
Mistral 1991

Wheeled APCs:
Panhard M-3 VTT 1968

UR-416 1978 (police)
BMR-600 1985 (Marines)

Shorland 1989 (police)
Piranha 1991

LAV-25 IFV 1992


Tracked APCs:
M113 1976
AMX-10 1975
M-2 Bradley 1990 (TOW2 version)

Helicopter Transports:
Bell-205 1969
Bell-212 1981
UH-60A 1990

Logistics
AMX-10 CP 1975
Fuchs CP 1991
M577A2 1984

Support

127mm ASTROS II MLRS 1987 (Light cluster)


M109A1 155mm SPG 1979
M109A2 155mm SPG 1985
AMX-GCT 155mm SPG 1978

AML-60 1969
M30 107mm Mortar 1976
V-150 81mm 1976

M106A2 107mm mortar 1984
M125A2 81mm mortar 1984
Piranha 81/120mm mortar 1991

[*]Piranha AMS 120mm 1996


HAWK SAM 1965
I-HAWK SAM 1976
[*]PAC-2 Patriot 1993

AMX-30SA SPAAG 1975

M163 VADS 1978
V-150 VADS 1981

Shahine SAM 1980

Crotale SAM 1980'


Tanks
M41 Bulldog 1956
M47 Patton 1960
M60A1 1977
AMX-30B 1976
M60A3 1986
M1A2 Abrams 1990/1993

Recon
Alouette-3 1964
OH-58 1969
Bell-406CS (Combat Scout) TOW2 1990


M-8 Greyhound 1955

M24 Chafee 1958
AML-90 1969

Fuchs NBC recon 1991

AMX-10 RATAC Radar 1988

Piranha Radar 1991


Vehicles
Ferret Vigilant 1968

V-150 TOW 1975

AMX-10 /HOT TD 1975
VCC-1 I-TOW 1982 (M901 ITV basically)
LAV-AT TOW2 1994

106mm RR Jeeps
M42 Duster 1962
V-150 90mm 1976
LAV-90 1992


Helicopters
Alouette-3 AT 1977

4x AS.11/Harpon ATGM

AH-64A Apache 1990-93

Airforce

Air Superiority
The airforce is quite well equipped with F-15s and Tornados in various variants providing the bulk of the quality. SEAD is also provided by ALARM equipped Tornados, with Lightnings and F-5 Tigers providing category C air support.

Lightning F.52 1966

2x Firestreak IR AAM.

F-15C 1981

4x AIM-7F Sparrow SARH AAM, 4x AIM-9 Sidewinder IR AAM.

Tornado ADV 1989

4x Skyflash SARH AAM, 4x AIM-9 Sidewinder IR AAM.

Anti-Tank

BAC Strikemaster 1973

4x Matra rocket pods

BAE Hawk 65 1987

4-6x Cluster

Bomber

F-5A Tiger 1972

4x Napalm Canister

Multi-Role

Lightning F.53 1966

2x Red Top IR AAM, 2x Matra rocket pods

F-5E Tiger 1972

2x AGM-65 Maverick AGM, 2x AIM-9 Sidewinder IR AAM.

[*]F-15S 1995

4-6x AGM-65D/G Maverick AGM, 4x AIM-7M Sparrow SARH AAM. (Saudis bought these missiles at the F-15 purchase suggesting their loadout)

SEAD

Tornado IDS 1989/1991 (aircraft/ALARM missile deliver date)

4(2-9)x ALARM ARM, 2x AIM-9 Sidewinder ARM.

Navy
Small multi-purpose navy with effective air & helicopter contingent.

Otomat/Erato ASHM 1985


Al Madinah class frigate 1985

1x 100mm/44 Cannon, 8x Otomat ASHM, 1x8 Crotale SAM (26 missiles total), 2x 40mm CIWS

Badr class large missile corvettes 1981

1x 76mm DP, 8x Harpoon ASHM, 1x Phalanx CIWS

As-Siddiq class large missile boats 1980

1x 76mm DP, 4x Harpoon ASHM, 1x Phalanx CIWS

Boraida class small replenishment oilers 1984 (5,000t supplies)

1x 40mm Bofors, 1x Mistral SAM

AS656 Panther 1988 (AS-15TT delivery date)

4x AS-15TT ASHM

AS332C 1990

2x Exocet ASHM

Tornado IDS ASuW 1990

2-4x Sea Eagle ASHM

[icehawk308]

Kuwait Armed Forces




Kuwait in some ways reminds of Denmark, a small neighbour of its coalition brothers. However its lavish financial base allows for relatively top of the line equipment, with some powerful category A units.

Infantry

Kuwait Emiri Guard

The Emiri Guard is an independent combat brigade in the Kuwaiti Armed Forces.

The Emiri Guard is responsible for the safety of Kuwait's emir and is known in Kuwait for putting up some of the country's stiffest resistance to the Iraqi invasion in 1990 at the emir's residence, an encounter that became known as the Battle of Dasman Palace.

Kuwait 25th Commando Brigade

The 25th Commando brigade is an independent combat brigade in the Kuwaiti Armed Forces.

The Kuwait 25th Commando Brigade, commonly known as the Green Berets of 25th Commando, is Kuwait's principal special forces and tier one military unit. The 25th Commando operates independently and is at the disposition of its own commander who reports to the Chief of Staff of the Kuwaiti Armed Forces; silently executing, participating, supporting, carrying all conflicts in which the Military of Kuwait engaged since its inception in 1960 and tracing their heritage directly to the cavalrymen and infantrymen that defended today's Kuwait (Arabic: origin word:" Al-Kout"‎- meaning Fortress near the water) and its wall.Today, the 25th Commando executes special operations in support of general operations of the Military of Kuwait.In founding age and historical operation, the Kuwait 25th Commando Brigade supersedes in seniority and is older than the Hereditary Constitutional monarchy of Kuwait, the Constitution of Kuwait and the National Assembly of Kuwait

Kuwait Commandos Marine Unit

The Kuwaiti Marines are very poorly attested, and even the formal name of unit is unclear. The Kuwaiti Marines are authoritatively reported to have a strength of 800 marines. Strangely, it does not seem to be profiled in the Jane's Amphibious and Special Forces subscription service. Some sources assert that Kuwait has a naval commando unit that is trained and supervised by US Navy SEALs and SBT personnnel, but following the Gulf War, it is more common to see the Kuwaiti Marines training with US Marines than with commando units.

Weapons:
Sterling SMG
FN FAL
CAR-15
M16

FN MAG

AT Weapons:
Carl Gustav RR
RPG-7
Vigilant ATGM 1964
Fagot ATGM 1985

AA Weapons:
Strela-2 1984
Strela-3 1985
[*]Starburst 1995

Wheeled APC:
Saracen 1954
V-300 90mm IFV 1984 (predecessor of the ANZAC Mk11 LRPV, 90mm wheeled IFV )

Fahd APC 1988

[*]Pandur IFV 1997


Tracked IFV:
AMX-VCI 1982
M113A2 1983
BMP-2 1989
[*]BMP-3 1995 (2nd choice if no Desert Warrior)
[*]Desert Warrior 1995


Helicopter Transports:

Bell-205/UH-1D 1968
SA-330 Puma 1975

Logistics
AMC-VCI 1982
M577A3 1994
[*]Pandur CP 1997


Support

I-HAWK 1977
Osa 1985
Aspide 1988 (Skyguard/Amoun)
[*]PAC-2 Patriot 1995

AMX-mk-F3 1975
M109A1 1983
AMX-GCT/AU-F1 1991

[*]Pandur 81mm 1997

[*]PLZ-45 155mm 1998

[*]Smerch MLRS 1995 (iffy, PLZ-45 makes more sense)

Tanks

Centurion mk9 1960
Vickers Mk1 1970

Cheiftain Mk5 1978
M-84A 1990

The basic tank has a cast steel turrent with maximal thickness of 410mm, later in the M-84A version a segment out of a non-metal, most likely granit of quartz was sandwiched between layers of steel. The glacis uses laminate armor, glass in plastic resin between two steel plates, in the A version an 16mm steel plate was welded on the glacis. Total armor protection ranges between 550mm-650mm for the glacis and 560mm-700mm for the turret. During the wars in Yugoslavia the M-84's frontal armor proved very effective against any type of AT threat. Side or rear hits often result in a catastrophic catastrophic ammo explosion.

[*]M1A2 Abrams 1995

[*]Vickers Mk4 (hypothetical what/if for Kuwait purchasing further Vickers line MBTs)

[*]Vickers Mk7


Recon

Kuwait National Guard

The Kuwaiti National Guard, considered an institution, is an independent body from the Kuwaiti Armed Forces and is a main internal and border combating security force. Units in the Kuwaiti National Guard also include internal, border and airborne special forces units.

Border guard force. 5 man recon team similar to German border guards.

Various recon jeeps
OH-58 1971

[*]Valkyr APC/Scout 1989

[*]Cymbeline radar 1981 (Counter battery radar, serve as exceptional recon vehicle??)


Vehicles
TOW 1974 Jeeps
RR Jeeps & M113
Saladin 1963
M901 ITOW 1984
[*]HMMV TOW2 1994
[*]Pandur 90mm 1997


Helicopters
SA-342L w/HOT ATGM 1975

Airforce

Air Superiority

Mirage F1CK 1976

2x Super 530F SARH AAM, 2x Magic R550 IR AAM

Anti-Tank

Lightning F.53K 1968

2x Matra Type 155 rocket pods, 4x Matra JL100 pods (total of 144x 68mm SNEB rockets)

BAE Hawk Mk64 1985

4x BL-775 Cluster

Bomber

Strikemaster Mk38 1970

2x Napalm?

A-4KU Skyhawk 1977 (tiny country allows heavy warload)

14 (or6)x Mk82 Bomb, 2x AIM-9D IR AAM

Multi-Role

F/A-18C 1991 (proto?)

4x Maverick AGM, 2x AIM-7F Sparrow SARH AAM

SEAD

Mirage F1CK2 1984/86 (aircraft/missile delivery date)

1x ARMAT ARM, 2x Magic R550 IR AAM.

Navy

Al Sanbouk (Al Boom class/TNC 45 type) missile boat 1984

4x Exocet ASHM, 1x 76mm DP gun, 1x dual 40mm CIWS

ASI 315 type (Pacific class) large patrol craft

1x 20mm Oerlikon, .50cal/.30cal MGs

AS332 ASuW 1985

2x Exocet ASHM

F/A-18C ASuW 1991 (proto) (Kuwait received AGM-84D with their Hornets)

4x AGM-84D ASHM, 2x AIM-7F Sparrow SARH AAM

[Killertomato]

AB14 Temsah 2000

That's cool, I didn't know that existed.

[Grabbed_by_the_Spets]

Jordan is a strange addition to Blu. Isn't it one of the most neutral countries in the ME? I guess we're applying Denmark logic into this.



Still, that's a really interesting list of units!

[icehawk308]

Jordan is a strange addition to Blu. Isn't it one of the most neutral countries in the ME? I guess we're applying Denmark logic into this.



Still, that's a really interesting list of units!

Yes its interesting little nation. I chose it due to the fact that its a monarchy (fits the roundup) as well as its proximity to all parties (neighbours with Israel, Syria, Iraq). It also has cool unit choices (Osa, ZSU-23-4, Strela-10 ) and a effective mix of equipment from the west. Neutrality wise, its been supported by the Saudis & Iraq at times, but faced off against israel in 67/73 & Syria in 70-71 Black September conflict. So there is plenty of fuel for a potential fire there. But politically speaking, its continual leanings towards the west do place it in a pretty blue category, so in short, yes Denmark logic

[icehawk308]

Preliminary Saudi Arabia writeup complete, see post #2

[D-M]

Saudi OP. :<

[icehawk308]

Through my research im finding that the middle eastern nations, purchasing their equipment from various customers, seem to be very varied and bringing lots of flava to the table. The Saudis seem to really like their motorized assets, and bristle with mortars, ATGM tubes and even have a wheeled Vulcan ADS Their tank deck is a little bland but still capable, and their air force & navy could be quite capable in right hands. Interesting stuff!

PS Saudi Air and Naval section finished.

[Killertomato]

Interesting stuff!

It really is, isn't it?

Since we can assume competent commanders and troops, unlike many of the real-life militaries, we can see some interesting things. Assuming this notional wargame is set between 1980 and 1991 + prototypes from up to '95, Iran would dominate Cat C, the Monarchies would be super strong in Cat A, and Israel would be fair to awesome thoughout.

Interesting contrast with Israel, too- Israel has a lot of slow heavy armor and Saudi has all those wheeled units.