US supercarrier sunk by French submarine

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Re: US supercarrier sunk by French submarine

Postby LoneRifle » Fri 6 Mar 2015 16:54

It's tough being the nation with the majority of the worlds carriers. Whenever we had a NATO exercise or whatnot, guess who provided the carrier to "be sunk". :( . American subs didn't get nearly as many chances to practice sinking the Foch or Invincible class...... ;)

Still its great for practice, especially if the Russians want to dump their life savings into a white whale carrier that will last less than a week in a hot war.

Hey they got the choice to fight the Germans they chose not too if the French fleet had not been sunk you would be speaking German right now. It's a shame really all those lives wasted also that fleet would have made fighting the Germans at sea a lot easier.


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Re: US supercarrier sunk by French submarine

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Fri 6 Mar 2015 16:56

Vulcan 607 wrote:Hey they got the choice to fight the Germans they chose not too if the French fleet had not been sunk you would be speaking German right now. It's a shame really all those lives wasted also that fleet would have made fighting the Germans at sea a lot easier.

We would be speaking Russian right now, but that's a technicality ...
I wonder if the Royal Navy, or any Navy in the world, would ever have taken orders from a foreign nation, especially technically an ally pointing its guns at its back.

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Postby Crotou » Fri 6 Mar 2015 16:59

Vulcan 607 wrote:Hey they got the choice to fight the Germans they chose not too if the French fleet had not been sunk you would be speaking German right now. It's a shame really all those lives wasted also that fleet would have made fighting the Germans at sea a lot easier.


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Re: US supercarrier sunk by French submarine

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Fri 6 Mar 2015 17:00

LoneRifle wrote:It's tough being the nation with the majority of the worlds carriers. Whenever we had a NATO exercise or whatnot, guess who provided the carrier to "be sunk". :(

Fair point. ;)
But USN is the one writing the exercice and labelling the others the "bad guys", so the latter have to be up to that label. :twisted:

LoneRifle wrote: . American subs didn't get nearly as many chances to practice sinking the Foch or Invincible class...... ;)

Well, you know, if they want to pit their skill against a Clemenceau-class carrier, your submariners will have to attack Brazil those days.

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Postby p.klyver » Fri 6 Mar 2015 17:15

I seem to remember that the swedes did the same stunt with one of their diesel electrics a few years ago... As well as the aussies too.

One should not underestimate the "small" subs, ie. the non-nuclear ones. I am no expert, but i have heard that the nukes are quite noisy compared to the conventional (DE or stirlingdrive) ones.

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Postby LoneRifle » Fri 6 Mar 2015 17:51

[EUG]MadMat wrote:But USN is the one writing the exercice and labelling the others the "bad guys", so the latter have to be up to that label. :twisted:

We have our stereotypes to uphold ;)

Well, you know, if they want to pit their skill against a Clemenceau-class carrier, your submariners will have to attack Brazil those days.


I dunno the last time that thing has even been at sea. And I'm pretty sure if we sent some fan mail taken through a USA periscope Brazil would label it an "international incident and outrage". They wouldn't take it as well as a NATO ally I'm afraid.
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Re: US supercarrier sunk by French submarine

Postby Tiera » Fri 6 Mar 2015 17:54

Mers el-Kébir was not inevitable - handling the negotiations about the fate of the ships could have been dealt with more tact (sending in a mere Captain to initiate the negotiations and lay down the terms was really stupid in retrospect) and no one would have died.
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Postby GBNATO » Fri 6 Mar 2015 18:00

[EUG]MadMat wrote:
GBNATO wrote:I'm sure you'll get a chance soon enough

Not so sure: your budget cuts are much more leathal to your armed forces than any foreign army or navy could.
Soon, there won't be anything British to sink ... :(


We are actually investing quite a large amount, the new Carriers are coming, new aircraft, new crowsnest helicopters and there is the new Type 26 GCS in the works too.

Britain and France could hold some pretty intense wargames if they wanted to ;)
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Re: US supercarrier sunk by French submarine

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Fri 6 Mar 2015 18:05

Tiera wrote:Mers el-Kébir was not inevitable - handling the negotiations about the fate of the ships could have been dealt with more tact (sending in a mere Captain to initiate the negotiations and lay down the terms was really stupid in retrospect) and no one would have died.

Besides, the Marine Nationale proved two years later that, despite all its feud with the Royal Navy (before, and especially after MeK) that it was unwilling to give the Germans a single bolt of its ships.
When the Germans invaded the Free Zone and rushed to Toulon to seize the fleet, the latter scuttled all its ships (but the some subs which fled to N-Africa to fight with the Free French).

GBNATO wrote:We are actually investing quite a large amount, the new Carriers are coming, new aircraft, new crowsnest helicopters and there is the new Type 26 GCS in the works too.

HMS Prince of Wales & HMS Camilla Parker Bowles? :lol:

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Re: US supercarrier sunk by French submarine

Postby Darkmil » Fri 6 Mar 2015 18:29

[EUG]MadMat wrote:Besides, the Marine Nationale proved two years later that, despite all its feud with the Royal Navy (before, and especially after MeK) that it was unwilling to give the Germans a single bolt of its ships.
When the Germans invaded the Free Zone and rushed to Toulon to seize the fleet, the latter scuttled all its ships (but the some subs which fled to N-Africa to fight with the Free French).

GBNATO wrote:We are actually investing quite a large amount, the new Carriers are coming, new aircraft, new crowsnest helicopters and there is the new Type 26 GCS in the works too.

HMS Prince of Wales & HMS Camilla Parker Bowles? :lol:

Don't forget the Richelieu which fought with Royal Navy.
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