German Army discovers that G36 is not accurate after firing

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Re: German Army discovers that G36 is not accurate after firing

Postby Bullfrog » Fri 18 Sep 2015 02:06

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I can't say I remember where I got it from, but if you came up with that, it's a brilliant saying.


Lol no, I was just going to say something similar. The entire 5.56 vs 7.62 argument is pretty stupid, and gets even dumber when people throw in the middle ground rounds.
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Postby Darth-Lampshade » Fri 18 Sep 2015 04:40

Bullfrog wrote:Lol no, I was just going to say something similar. The entire 5.56 vs 7.62 argument is pretty stupid, and gets even dumber when people throw in the middle ground rounds.

.58 caliber Springfield. That's a real man's gun and caliber. None of those sissy metal casings or that frivolous junk.
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Re: German Army discovers that G36 is not accurate after firing

Postby ikalugin » Fri 18 Sep 2015 05:00

Killertomato wrote:Buddy, it ain't just the load-carrying equipment, it's what's in/on the load-carrying equipment. I'd love a lighter ruck but that's just more weight I can use (or be told to use) for carrying something else.

The only "light" infantry we have is Specnas brigades (and even then it is special forces actually), and those are not true "light" infantry anyway, as they have their motorised transports and complain how there isn't enough space in Ivecos for personal gear.

So in a way our "light" infantry is actually light, as in most cases they do not run around with a lot of weight.
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Re: German Army discovers that G36 is not accurate after firing

Postby Drang » Fri 18 Sep 2015 09:22

Killertomato wrote:And millions upon millions of keyboard kommandos. 5.56 works. There are graveyards full of bodies the world over that prove it.


Likewise with lead musket balls. What's your point?

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Re: German Army discovers that G36 is not accurate after firing

Postby Aubustou » Fri 18 Sep 2015 12:57

Drang wrote:
Killertomato wrote:And millions upon millions of keyboard kommandos. 5.56 works. There are graveyards full of bodies the world over that prove it.


Likewise with lead musket balls. What's your point?


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Re: German Army discovers that G36 is not accurate after firing

Postby Killertomato » Fri 18 Sep 2015 14:26

Likewise with lead musket balls. What's your point?


Lead musket balls were the finest projectile in the world until they were superceded by something better.

7.62 isn't better than 5.56 for infantry rifles. If it was we'd see a movement back towards 7.62. That movement is conspicuously absent.
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Postby ikalugin » Fri 18 Sep 2015 14:56

Except in the mids of the 7.62*51 fans.
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Re: German Army discovers that G36 is not accurate after firing

Postby Killertomato » Fri 18 Sep 2015 15:15

ikalugin wrote:Except in the mids of the 7.62*51 fans.


Well, that hasn't changed in fifty years. Probably won't change in the next 50 either.
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Postby orcbuster » Fri 18 Sep 2015 15:18

7.62x51 is underpowered. 30-06 now there is a proper round.
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Re: German Army discovers that G36 is not accurate after firing

Postby Grabbed_by_the_Spets » Fri 18 Sep 2015 15:26

Killertomato wrote:Lead musket balls were the finest projectile in the world until they were superceded by something better.


Depends on the model gun and time period we're looking at.

Old English longbows were more accurate, had longer range and was capable of indirect fire, they were considered better than most arquebus' and early muskets until barrel rifling and the flintlock were common.

Regardless, it's more political nature than military experience what gets chosen and why. Britain and alot of the commonweath armies would have looked alot different had the British parliament not pushed for American calbire's and designs (And from reading up some of their journals, saved alot of heartbreak and frustration.).

And once again, there was a pretty massive push towards 7.62 in NZ and AU soldiers, especially after Afganistan, it's why we switched back to 7.62 on our military, and is probably why the new rifles come with heaver supecharged 5.56's to try and offset some of the complaints that's it's had.
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