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Meanwhile in France ...

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Sun 31 May 2015 13:45

About embarrassing stuff ...
Our main right-wing party, UMP, just changed its name to something brand "new": Les Républicains, aka "The Republicans".
Sounds familiar, isn't it? :D
Maybe their American counterparts are starting a franchise all over the world?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/french-conservatives-get-new-name-_-and-it-seems-familiar/2015/05/30/17129cac-06d2-11e5-93f4-f24d4af7f97d_story.html

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Postby Corsair » Sun 31 May 2015 13:53

You mean the RPS ? :mrgreen:

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Postby D-M » Sun 31 May 2015 15:07

Dem baby boomers, still thinking their petty tricks are still working.
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Postby Killertomato » Sun 31 May 2015 15:13

Wouldn't this make them less popular?
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Postby Bullfrog » Sun 31 May 2015 21:24

Is it just "Sounds familiar" or did they do it because of the US Republican party?

If it's the former, then I don't get it.
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Postby Fade2Gray » Sun 31 May 2015 23:01

Well, here's another addition to my list of Things I Don't Care About.
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Postby Aubustou » Mon 1 Jun 2015 00:47

Bullfrog wrote:Is it just "Sounds familiar" or did they do it because of the US Republican party?

If it's the former, then I don't get it.


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Postby Bollywood Baloney » Tue 2 Jun 2015 04:57

Aren't French conservatives the opposite of American conservatives? I remember reading someplace that Reagan was a flaming lefty by French standards.

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Postby Bullfrog » Tue 2 Jun 2015 05:30

Bollywood Baloney wrote:Aren't French conservatives the opposite of American conservatives? I remember reading someplace that Reagan was a flaming lefty by French standards.


Correct me if I'm wrong Euros.

What I've heard from various teachers and such is that it's a mater of what "Tradition" or "New" means to each country, the US history isn't long when compared to Europe, and we started with the idea of small government, this is our tradition...

For Europe, the traditional government was big strong government... the idea of small limited government is new (in relative to their over all historical time line)

Conservatives obviously favoring tradition by definition... liberals favoring change.

So a Conservative European should favor a big government, where as a conservative American should favor a small government.
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Postby Aubustou » Tue 2 Jun 2015 15:43

Bullfrog wrote:
Bollywood Baloney wrote:Aren't French conservatives the opposite of American conservatives? I remember reading someplace that Reagan was a flaming lefty by French standards.


Correct me if I'm wrong Euros.

What I've heard from various teachers and such is that it's a mater of what "Tradition" or "New" means to each country, the US history isn't long when compared to Europe, and we started with the idea of small government, this is our tradition...

For Europe, the traditional government was big strong government... the idea of small limited government is new (in relative to their over all historical time line)

Conservatives obviously favoring tradition by definition... liberals favoring change.

So a Conservative European should favor a big government, where as a conservative American should favor a small government.


Difficult to say. Usually, our French "Conservative" are not that "conservative", ie something along a moralist, Christian point of view. It used to be like that, especially during the Third Republic (the one that lost to the Germans in 1940) but with de Gaulle defining himself a right-wing politician, it blured everything. Actually, under his rule and his successors, a lot of "lefty" decisions happened, ranging from universal healthcare, allowed contraception, abortion, massive nationalizations, and national economic plannings. To sum up, it was a big strong government, Colbertist (from Louis XIV's minister of state Jean-Baptiste Colbert) in some parts.
On the other hand, under socialist (=moderate lefty) president Mitterrand, privatizations of firms, relaxations on economic rules. With a few lefty social decisions. But still a big strong government. So quite difficult to differentiate them on the political decisions.

And today, it's still quite the same but with weaker government thanks to European Union.

Actually, there is one way to differentiate the two of them: right-wing main party (UMP, now Républicains) absolutly can't work without only one leader (be it Sarkozy, Chirac, Pompidou, de Gaulle), while left-wing main party (Parti Socialiste) doesn't like at all to have only one boss around (main exception Mitterrand). That is something true since the Third Republic.
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