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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby Holy_crap » Thu 25 Jun 2015 19:15

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Holy_crap wrote:They might as well go with the HK416, since replacement won't be as expensive as going with a whole new rifle, and the 416 is a pretty good performing rifle.


And if the Germans adopt it as well it would mean that Norway, denmark, Netherlands, Germany, and france would all be using AR-15 derivatives making it the de facto standard western European rifle and the closest thing to a NATO standard rifle.



At least logistics would be really easy for a joint force.
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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby Crotou » Thu 25 Jun 2015 19:16

Romiros wrote:No French rifles for French soldiers?


No... Thanks to very smart french and EU policies. :roll:
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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby SpeisCheese » Thu 25 Jun 2015 20:22

orcbuster wrote:
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orcbuster wrote:As I understand it they took over support functions for the FAMAS, they don't actually make new ones, just make sure the old ones stay functional.

Well soon tanks and aircrafts will be done by some chinese company far away from France. Pretty sure about that. Globalization done right...


Why is this relevant to this topic? MAS merged with NEXTER and shut down rifle production after all orders were met years ago and hasn't designed a new rifle since. Therefore when a new rifle is required you bring in the ones who have actually designed new ones in the past 20-30 years or so.

As for the tank industry in general, it's been bad for everyone since the cold war ended, be it the russians, europeans, or americans, they've all basically on life support.

I wrote this because it will happen. MAS doesnt exist anymore and French industries have some trouble finding customers. The only customer of MAS was France(and perhaps some other African countries) . Perhaps this wouldnt have happened if they had begun exporting like Hk did instead of merging with Nexter. That with the French tank and air companies will also be foreign companies. Soon.
And Russia is starting an entire new series. I dont know how much money will be thrown but at least Russian companies get money for this. Well I can be wrong...

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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby Flieger » Thu 25 Jun 2015 20:44

orcbuster wrote:
Holy_crap wrote:They might as well go with the HK416, since replacement won't be as expensive as going with a whole new rifle, and the 416 is a pretty good performing rifle.


And if the Germans adopt it as well it would mean that Norway, denmark, Netherlands, Germany, and france would all be using AR-15 derivatives making it the de facto standard western European rifle and the closest thing to a NATO standard rifle.


If the German MoD was really serious about replacing the G36, it would link up with the French and try pick a common rifle right now.
As for the HK416 being too expensive... ah, prices in arm dealings with governments are largely subject to negotiations, and HK is not really in the best of shapes at the moment. In fact, right now would be a good time if you want to make a good deal.

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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby Vulcan 607 » Thu 25 Jun 2015 23:29

A joint buy between France would reduce costs a bit.



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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby nWODT_Niack » Fri 26 Jun 2015 00:48

Romiros wrote:What happened with Nexter ?

After M193 manufacture ended in 1993 (IIRC), and FAMAS production ended around 15 years ago, Nexter took up high-level maintenance operations only.
They decided profit margins on small arms and ammo are too small in an already oversaturated market. Now they only manufacture 20 mm guns / ammo and above.

SpeisCheese wrote:French industries have some trouble finding customers.


You're talking nonsense. Again.

Nexter is entering a 9th consecutive year of "high profits": http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fin ... 61622.html

The defence industry is finding customers pretty easily :
France-weapons-economy-exports
French arms exports in 2014 ‘best in 15 years’

Paris, June 2, 2015 (AFP) – French arms exports rose 18 percent in 2014, according to a defence ministry report published Tuesday, the country’s best export performance for 15 years.
France sold 8.2 billion euros ($9.1 billion) of weapons last year, mainly due to clinching five “large” contracts (defined as more than 200 million euros).
These large contracts represented a total of 4.79 billion euros — a gain of 71 percent compared to the previous year.
The positive figures should continue in 2015 with contracts to provide 24 Rafale combat jets to Egypt and the same amount to Qatar already in the bag. The figures put France “solidly” in fourth place in terms of global arms exports, the report said, behind the United States, Russia and China.
France’s main markets over the period 2010 to 2014 were the Middle East (38 percent), followed by Asia (30 percent).
After that came Europe (13 percent), the Americas (11 percent) and Africa (four percent).
The top French client over the period was Saudi Arabia, which snapped up 12 billion euros worth of weapons over the period — including three billion dollars bought to help the Lebanese army.
Then followed India (around six billion euros), Brazil (just under six billion), the United Arab Emirates (four billion), the United States and Morocco.

SIPRI ranks France as the third defense exporter for 2014. And a little mouse tells me that with any luck, we might be able to snatch second place for 2015...

So yeah. Stop worrying about the state of our defense industry.
Maybe not making domestic small arms (that we never managed to sell in volumes anyways) is not so critical after all.
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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby orcbuster » Fri 26 Jun 2015 01:46

Yeah, small arms is a niche market at best. for a single missile system you could get 10000 rifles :P
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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby nWODT_Niack » Fri 26 Jun 2015 02:34

orcbuster wrote:Yeah, small arms is a niche market at best. for a single missile system you could get 10000 rifles :P

I did not say that. What i did say was that Nexter decided to abandon a market sector they did not master to concentrate on others.
And numbers seem to agree that they made the right choice.
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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby another505 » Fri 26 Jun 2015 02:42

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Re: New FAMAS replacement

Postby Killertomato » Fri 26 Jun 2015 02:55

And if the Germans adopt it as well it would mean that Norway, denmark, Netherlands, Germany, and france would all be using AR-15 derivatives making it the de facto standard western European rifle and the closest thing to a NATO standard rifle.


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