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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Killertomato » Fri 7 Apr 2017 06:40

orcbuster wrote:Fully aware, a few hundred thousand more have died since then from other non-natural causes and it has never been used on a large scale.


Well, until now, which is why the airfield is gone. We almost did bomb them then, too, but they agreed to give up their gas in exchange for not being bombed.

As it turns out, they lied, so we're bombing them.

Is it arbitrary? Yeah. I don't care. Half a loaf of bread is better than none.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Shrike » Fri 7 Apr 2017 06:48

Obama wanted to strike Syria if congress approved, congress said.

There lessons that need to be learned from Iraq.
1. Like don't start a war with no plans to rebuild the country at the start. Don't half ass the rebuilding either and pretend everything is okay.

2. Understand that Shias and Sunnis have been fighting an ancient conflict over whose version of Islam is better and that fringe groups on either side will come out of the ether to oppose whoever takes power.

3. Don't repeat the mistakes of the Sykes-Picot agreement. When you break the trust of people, its really hard to win them back. You also make a few enemies in the process.

4. The enemy of your enemy may not be your friend. Avoid the mistakes of the Soviet-Afghan war by not arming and training someone who will probably end up stabbing you in the back.

5. Speaking of #4, waging proxy wars only creates more problems for regional stability and creates everlasting problems for those countries in the future. Also installing leaders also make enemies (see shah of Iran).

With that said, we should avoid the mistakes the league of nations where they stood by and watched Italy invade Ethiopia and did nothing as Italy as dropped chemical weapons on it(sanctions don't count because they were quickly lifted). Or how Japan invaded Manchuria and committed Horrendous war crimes across Asia.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby orcbuster » Fri 7 Apr 2017 06:53

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orcbuster wrote:Fully aware, a few hundred thousand more have died since then from other non-natural causes and it has never been used on a large scale.


Well, until now, which is why the airfield is gone. We almost did bomb them then, too, but they agreed to give up their gas in exchange for not being bombed.

As it turns out, they lied, so we're bombing them.

Is it arbitrary? Yeah. I don't care. Half a loaf of bread is better than none.


Yeah, good job, killed a few people arbitrarily and none who were responsible, makes that patriotic glow come out doesn't it? You can yell: "We did something!" Not because it will have any real impact on the tragedy that unfolds daily in this shithole but because it makes us feel slightly less impotent in the face of a region that has humiliated us time and time again due to our inability to impose our will on it over time no matter how much money, manpower and expensive equipment we throw at the problem.

Insecurity is a bad pretext for military action.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby LoneRifle » Fri 7 Apr 2017 07:06

Israel is joining in on the party and shooting some stuff. RT commenters are shitting themselves about how they have been betrayed by Trump. Putin is probably pulling an all nighter and has his army of shitposters working overtime to try and spin this as an assault against freedom loving Assad. Meanwhile, Trump is enjoying eating dinner with Xi Jinping, while probably casually referencing "yea we just bombed Syria because they lied and fucked with us, by the way, we have a trade deficit problem with you guys...." and then probably has the most satisfying nights sleep of his presidency.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Fade2Gray » Fri 7 Apr 2017 07:14

I love how /pol and r\the_donald is flipping out about the whole chemical attack being a false flag operation. Geezus, is there ever anything that they don't like that isn't a false flag nowadays?

LoneRifle wrote:If we had intervened back at the beginning there wouldn't be 500k dead and millions of Syrians flooding into Europe. You probably don't get even a quarter of that. Same as if we had put our foot down and refused to let ISIS become a thing. We could have stopped both. And the cost would have been cheaper long term.

And you should be fucking ashamed. The WAR has been ongoing for 6 years. How many millions have died? Don't you care at all about stopping that? Or does the typical hypocritical nature of Euros on seeking peace and harmony strike again? And don't you dare blame the USA for Assad going out and murdering his own protesting people. He started this war against his own people. The ONLY countries capable of putting a stop to this and TRYING to get a workable peace are the Western Democracies. But clearly the only one worthy of the name is the USA at the moment.

1984. Pathetic. No Point arguing with people that accuse the USA of being like that.


Tell me Lone, exactly HOW should we have "intervened" with Syria at this beginning you speak of? Considering what a great job we did in Iraq, I can't wait to hear all this high and mighty reasoning of yours. With some sources painting a civilian death toll in Iraq because of OIF over a million, I'm dying to hear how you can have the audacity to try to lecture anyone on this.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby LoneRifle » Fri 7 Apr 2017 07:26

Bombed Assad and forced a political settlement. And Iraq has ISIS because we (Obama) refused to kill them before they became a real threat. Nothing during the occupation can possibly compare to the mass murder and disaster that happened after we left.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby orcbuster » Fri 7 Apr 2017 07:32

LoneRifle wrote:Bombed Assad and forced a political settlement. And Iraq has ISIS because we (Obama) refused to kill them before they became a real threat. Nothing during the occupation can possibly compare to the mass murder and disaster that happened after we left.


Oh yeah, like libya, that ended well.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Admiral Piett » Fri 7 Apr 2017 07:34

I'm just happy the US did something.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Fade2Gray » Fri 7 Apr 2017 07:37

LoneRifle wrote:Bombed Assad and forced a political settlement.

No doubt that would have worked flawlessly.

LoneRifle wrote:And Iraq has ISIS because we (Obama) refused to kill them before they became a real threat. Nothing during the occupation can possibly compare to the mass murder and disaster that happened after we left.

Good thing Dubya left such wonderful groundwork in place for Iraq and Obama pretty much followed what Dubya had intended. If only Iraq had let us keep the SOFA agreement where American soldiers were still exempt from prosecution, no doubt we would have prevented all of this. :roll:
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Mike » Fri 7 Apr 2017 07:44

orcbuster wrote:
LoneRifle wrote:Bombed Assad and forced a political settlement. And Iraq has ISIS because we (Obama) refused to kill them before they became a real threat. Nothing during the occupation can possibly compare to the mass murder and disaster that happened after we left.


Oh yeah, like libya, that ended well.


What do you suggest that the US and/or the whole of the world do?
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