Fade2Gray wrote:I wonder how long it is going to be until we get a solid study of just how much of an impact Russian meddling really had? How far back does it go? Just how much does it compare with hard right wing fearmongering? How does it stack up with our own home grown right wing propaganda? Hell, you go back far enough you have shenanigans like "Bill Clinton smuggled drugs in nose cones of missiles" and other such nonsense during the AOL/mIRC days. I don't doubt they tried hard to influence things, but I wonder just how much of an impact they had compared to what InfoWars and Breitbart have been pushing for years if not decades.
How much of a force multiplier? That doesn't even come close to answering my question, seriously that's so vague as to be a non-answer.
All of a sudden it was everywhere, mixed in with your good friends on Facebook, with nice reputable profiles and everything. It's easier to believe pizzagate et al if you're surrounded by voices screaming about them whenever you venture online.
Even just hearing it all day can convince you it's true. Talk radio did that for a lot of older people I know.
It has always been "everywhere" though. I already know about the likes of Rush Limbaugh, and if you go back far enough? Newspapers used to be really bad about that as well. Early 1800s? All newspapers were sold out to political interests until transportation and communication methods started to improve. It took a long time before some sort of semblance of not being overly biased took shape. My question is how much of the internet impact was really effected by the Russians. There's a lot of home grown propaganda out there, insanely ridic amounts of it. The amount of chain emails pushing bizarro right wing conspiracy theories dates back a long time. I remember reading some of that nonsense when I was 17 and 18 (read, over 20 years ago) and being just confused by it all. There's also plenty of it that originates outside of Russia. Hell there's places like in Greece where they feed off of advertising money from all these gullible right wingers. Let's not forget how we even had a member of Correct the Record for the left wing on here posting at one point as well in this very same thread(I so wanted to see him eat his hat as well).
Political bubbles are nothing new KT. I have an uncle who worked in the defense industry for almost his entire career, he would always be telling me about bizarre right wing nonsense whenever I got pushed off by my family to stay with him for a summer or more. Back then I didn't think much of it, I was just a dumb and ignorant kid too busy with trying to just make sure I could eat or just get through school. Looking back on it? It strikes me that this sort of thing wasn't uncommon, unusual, or rare at all. Even during the Myspace years this sort of madness was all over the place. Early 2000s when I was in Germany? All sorts of loony stuff still flying all over the place.
I'm seriously wondering if this is overblown and if we're focusing too much on the Russians and not enough on our own internal problems. I've been thinking right wing rhetoric was been building up to demonizing the left for so long that it will mean another civil war, long before the news media started reporting on the Putin trying to instigate that.