#MakeAmericaGreatAgain

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Killertomato » Sun 10 Jul 2016 02:28

REDDQ wrote:Bomb (whatever "small" means to you) is a wild card, it can start fire or whatev. There is a reason use of explosives is limited to military. This time things worked out fine, nothing bad happened it might not be so in all cases.


Literally all of these things apply to a rifle shot too. Snipers are fallible human beings, even the best ones miss. Misses can and have had catastrophic effects.

This is not 'military grade force.' The MOVE bombing was military grade force. If they had tried, say, a 50-pound bomb, or firing it out of a cannon it would be another story. This particular case was as precise as a police shooting would be.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby James Gastovski » Sun 10 Jul 2016 02:39

REDDQ wrote:This acceptance of police using military grade force is astonishing.


Yawn. This was a weird case, but 99% of the time when people talk about "militarized police" it's simply because SWAT teams exist, or they're using tan equipment sold for pennies on the dollar instead of brand new stuff that is dark blue. Last time I checked, Europe had SWAT teams too, and riot vans, and riot gear, and are quite happy to use all of them. Usually every time some hippies are protesting a G8 summit.

It is also the reason USA has problems with police in the first place but hey, not muh country.


Clearly not "yuh" country since you don't understand any of the issues. SWAT teams using surplus MRAPs instead of boxy armored cars isn't the problem with police in the first place, it's patrol cops - wearing the same cloth uniforms and driving the same black and white patrol cars that they have for 50 years - employing unnecessary deadly force.

I see no incident in the US is serious enough for some people to feel dirty for jerking themselves raw over how superior they are. Most laughable of all is Frencho, whose country literally has their military deployed on their own soil.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby REDDQ » Sun 10 Jul 2016 02:41

Killertomato wrote:
REDDQ wrote:Bomb (whatever "small" means to you) is a wild card, it can start fire or whatev. There is a reason use of explosives is limited to military. This time things worked out fine, nothing bad happened it might not be so in all cases.


Literally all of these things apply to a rifle shot too. Snipers are fallible human beings, even the best ones miss. Misses can and have had catastrophic effects.

This is not 'military grade force.' The MOVE bombing was military grade force. If they had tried, say, a 50-pound bomb, or firing it out of a cannon it would be another story. This particular case was as precise as a police shooting would be.

AFAIK 12,7 does not explode with the force of almost 0,5 kg of C4. The worst you can do with a rifle is to miss and hit the wall.

It is military grade force. The explosives were used to take down the perp. That's it.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Killertomato » Sun 10 Jul 2016 02:43

REDDQ wrote:AFAIK 12,7 does not explode with the force of almost 0,5 kg of C4. The worst you can do with a rifle is to miss and hit the wall.


And go through the wall, and kill someone or hit something you shouldn't on the other side.

REDDQ wrote:It is military grade force. The explosives were used to take down the perp. That's it.


It was a precise, discriminate, justified use of force. That's it.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby REDDQ » Sun 10 Jul 2016 02:48

James Gastovski wrote:
REDDQ wrote:This acceptance of police using military grade force is astonishing.


Yawn. This was a weird case, but 99% of the time when people talk about "militarized police" it's simply because SWAT teams exist, or they're using tan equipment sold for pennies on the dollar instead of brand new stuff that is dark blue. Last time I checked, Europe had SWAT teams too, and riot vans, and riot gear, and are quite happy to use all of them. Usually every time some hippies are protesting a G8 summit.


Yet, the fact that we do not have snipers firing on police officers after some other officers killed two people for nothing means that either your take on the whole situation is worthless or there is indeed problem with your police.

It is also the reason USA has problems with police in the first place but hey, not muh country.


James Gastovski wrote:Clearly not "yuh" country since you don't understand any of the issues. SWAT teams using surplus MRAPs instead of boxy armored cars isn't the problem with police in the first place, it's patrol cops - wearing the same cloth uniforms and driving the same black and white patrol cars that they have for 50 years - employing unnecessary deadly force.

I see no incident in the US is serious enough for some people to feel dirty for jerking themselves raw over how superior they are. Most laughable of all is Frencho, whose country literally has their military deployed on their own soil.


What are you talking about I don't even :roll:

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby REDDQ » Sun 10 Jul 2016 02:50

Killertomato wrote:
REDDQ wrote:AFAIK 12,7 does not explode with the force of almost 0,5 kg of C4. The worst you can do with a rifle is to miss and hit the wall.


And go through the wall, and kill someone or hit something you shouldn't on the other side.


Oh, I see. 0,5 kg of C4 is clearly the safe bet here /sarcasm

Killertomato wrote:It was a precise, discriminate, justified use of force. That's it.

It was a bomb. That's it.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby orcbuster » Sun 10 Jul 2016 02:56

Swat police use explosives for entry. Not an issue if the proper precautions were taken. Frankly a 12.7 round could be more dangerous to those around due to overpenetration. Not to mention how a shootout would have the potential to be far far deadlier.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby Tiera » Sun 10 Jul 2016 05:46

When compared to the way the mountain cabin standoff with Dorner ended, the way the authorities handled this case was much more efficient. The guy was a trained veteran and an armed and dangerous person who had just recently killed and wounded several people. Attempting some other approach would have just put more people at risk for no good reason.
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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby F-22 » Sun 10 Jul 2016 06:04

delfo wrote:Alsto this is apperantly happening.

https://twitter.com/TaraTWCNews/status/ ... 4968503296

But wait it gets better:

https://twitter.com/TaraTWCNews/status/ ... 4968503296

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This one looks racist.


Pains me to see people saying "She shouldn't have been in the street.", yet the crew doing the filming doesn't appear to be getting a single glance of Police attention while actually standing in the middle of the street.

Welp.

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Re: #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

Postby delfo » Sun 10 Jul 2016 06:36

Tiera wrote:When compared to the way the mountain cabin standoff with Dorner ended, the way the authorities handled this case was much more efficient. The guy was a trained veteran and an armed and dangerous person who had just recently killed and wounded several people. Attempting some other approach would have just put more people at risk for no good reason.


He did have a very special set of skills, if wanted to do some renovating.

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