So, what's up with immigrants?

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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby Shrike » Sun 27 Sep 2015 18:29

Well people under uncertaintain or stressful times turn to weird extremes when it comes to politics.

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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby zervostyrd » Sun 27 Sep 2015 18:37

Lord Helmchen wrote:So apparently elections in upper Austria will result in ~32% for the FPÖ(right-wing party). They gained 16%, so ~100% compared to the last elections while the other big parties lost lots of seats(if the prognosis come true ofc).

Maybe a result of the recent immigration- and refugeecrisis?


Quite probably. The recent crisis has lead many Right wing/Populist parties to rise in election polls. But then again, they were already on the rise before.

It's easy for them to promise gold and lush green meadows... So far though their accomplishments are... interesting.

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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby orcbuster » Sun 27 Sep 2015 20:20

Oddly enough it's been the other way around in norway.
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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby Fade2Gray » Mon 28 Sep 2015 00:31

zervostyrd wrote:
Lord Helmchen wrote:So apparently elections in upper Austria will result in ~32% for the FPÖ(right-wing party). They gained 16%, so ~100% compared to the last elections while the other big parties lost lots of seats(if the prognosis come true ofc).

Maybe a result of the recent immigration- and refugeecrisis?


Quite probably. The recent crisis has lead many Right wing/Populist parties to rise in election polls. But then again, they were already on the rise before.

It's easy for them to promise gold and lush green meadows... So far though their accomplishments are... interesting.


The real question is just how long will those parties have a hold on politics? Will their momentum keep up, or will they fade away after a bit?
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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby Killertomato » Mon 28 Sep 2015 00:34

The real question is just how long will those parties have a hold on politics? Will their momentum keep up, or will they fade away after a bit?


Depends how bad things get.
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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby Lord Helmchen » Mon 28 Sep 2015 00:39

Fade2Gray wrote:
zervostyrd wrote:
Lord Helmchen wrote:So apparently elections in upper Austria will result in ~32% for the FPÖ(right-wing party). They gained 16%, so ~100% compared to the last elections while the other big parties lost lots of seats(if the prognosis come true ofc).

Maybe a result of the recent immigration- and refugeecrisis?

Quite probably. The recent crisis has lead many Right wing/Populist parties to rise in election polls. But then again, they were already on the rise before.

It's easy for them to promise gold and lush green meadows... So far though their accomplishments are... interesting.


The real question is just how long will those parties have a hold on politics? Will their momentum keep up, or will they fade away after a bit?

The question is how they manage to do their politics and stick to their promises.
If they find a solution to any of the problems it's good and I'd guess they'll stay there for long.
It's not like the FPÖ is comparable to the NSDAP or so but rather in between Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump in terms of politics.
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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby Darth-Lampshade » Mon 28 Sep 2015 05:27

What are the policies of FPO that have them winning this support?

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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby Oliver » Mon 28 Sep 2015 12:51

Lord Helmchen wrote:So apparently elections in upper Austria will result in ~32% for the FPÖ(right-wing party). They gained 16%, so ~100% compared to the last elections while the other big parties lost lots of seats(if the prognosis come true ofc).

Maybe a result of the recent immigration- and refugeecrisis?



Everybody expected this. Next week we've got elections in Vienna, a traditionally socialistic state, which I promise you will see very similar results.
The FPÖ has been on the rise for years but the current refugee crisis basically gave them votes without them even having to do anything.
A majority of Austrians are unsatisfied and completely fed up with the long reigning red-black coalition and especially their (non-)response to the current events. Basically all you heard from the government regarding this whole situation (if you even heard anything) was "let's wait and see".

People are looking for alternatives to their old voting patterns (traditionally there are conservative and socialist states in Austria) and are faced with three options:

1)FPÖ
2)Greens
3)Irrelevant parties (<4% of the votes)

Since the Greens are completely out of question for 80% of the population (including me) for their stances on a lot of topics, the only alternative for many, mainly uneducated and lower class, voters is the FPÖ. We have seen a similar thing back in the 90s/early 2000s which is the really sad thing since people don't seem to learn from their past mistakes.
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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby Lord Helmchen » Mon 28 Sep 2015 12:59

Oliver wrote:
Lord Helmchen wrote:So apparently elections in upper Austria will result in ~32% for the FPÖ(right-wing party). They gained 16%, so ~100% compared to the last elections while the other big parties lost lots of seats(if the prognosis come true ofc).

Maybe a result of the recent immigration- and refugeecrisis?



Everybody expected this. Next week we've got elections in Vienna, a traditionally socialistic state, which I promise you will see very similar results.
The FPÖ has been on the rise for years but the current refugee crisis basically gave them votes without them even having to do anything.
A majority of Austrians are unsatisfied and completely fed up with the long reigning red-black coalition and especially their (non-)response to the current events. Basically all you heard from the government regarding this whole situation (if you even heard anything) was "let's wait and see".

People are looking for alternatives to their old voting patterns (traditionally there are conservative and socialist states in Austria) and are faced with three options:

1)FPÖ
2)Greens
3)Irrelevant parties (<4% of the votes)

Since the Greens are completely out of question for 80% of the population (including me) for their stances on a lot of topics, the only alternative for many, mainly uneducated and lower class, voters is the FPÖ. We have seen a similar thing back in the 90s/early 2000s which is the really sad thing since people don't seem to learn from their past mistakes.

Yea, I mean it's clear that right parties get more votes when immigration rise to such high numbers and when people see pictures of riots at the Hungarian border etc etc.

BUT an increase by 100% is a fucking lot especially for such a "new" party. :lol:
Especially since they got majority in SPÖ strongholds like Wels. :lol:
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Re: So, what's up with immigrants?

Postby delfo » Mon 28 Sep 2015 13:49

Fade2Gray wrote:
zervostyrd wrote:
Lord Helmchen wrote:So apparently elections in upper Austria will result in ~32% for the FPÖ(right-wing party). They gained 16%, so ~100% compared to the last elections while the other big parties lost lots of seats(if the prognosis come true ofc).

Maybe a result of the recent immigration- and refugeecrisis?


Quite probably. The recent crisis has lead many Right wing/Populist parties to rise in election polls. But then again, they were already on the rise before.

It's easy for them to promise gold and lush green meadows... So far though their accomplishments are... interesting.


The real question is just how long will those parties have a hold on politics? Will their momentum keep up, or will they fade away after a bit?


In Hungary they keep up but economic issues are clearly the defining factor there in the next 10-15 years. So they should collapse.
Everywhere else, I'd say a one or two hit wonder. Also even nationalistic messages are well across the spectrum. You can have both right and left wing messages at the same time.

In Bulgaria Ataka and NPF were feared to get 15-20% of the vote total. They each got barely above 4%. In Greece even this election people feared a 20-25% Golden dawn. The response was different, they got the same percentage or close to. But the number of people who voted for them went down.

In Bulgaria the other side of the Nationalistic narrative is currently taken by BSP. Which are down from 30-40% two elections ago to 15%. Also their leader is the head of PES in the European parliament but due to scandals is keeping silent to avoid a time share in a prison of his judge's choosing.

Overall momentum would slide down. They don't have policies. And we're tired of fear tactics about Muslims.We have been listening to those for about erh 130 years. Only the kids get exited but with 50 000 18 year olds each year it's not even relevant in politics.

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