[Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

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[Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Eukie » Thu 2 Jun 2016 22:43

Switzerland and Austria were ostensibly neutral during the Cold War. Switzerland because of its long-standing policy of neutrality and Austria because of the Austrian State Treaty where the Austrian nation promised permanent neutrality in diplomatic affairs. However, both Austria and Switzerland leaned heavily towards NATO with most of their equipment procured from the west. Likewise, the Soviet Union fully expected to fight Austria and Switzerland. The Seven Days to the River Rhine plan calls for Austria and northern Italy to be nuked in order to prevent NATO from advancing from the south. In ABLE ARCHER in European Escalation, one of the teletype messages is that Aeroflot planes carrying disguised spetznas agents attack Geneva.

Switzerland also had a domestic arms industry - one so prolific that many BLUFOR nations already use Swiss equipment. Swiss 35mm autocannons are on the Gepard, the Marksman, and the Guntank. The ASLAV and the Grizzly are based on the Piranah and the ADATS is a Swiss system.

Austria and Switzerland would probably be very weak nations by themselves; Austria lacks the high-tech tanks, aircraft, and air-defence necessary to play with the big boys, while Switzerland's domestic tank production made some quite reviled vehicles and would have severely under-equipped infantry, relying primarily on Blindecides and M47 Dragons for anti-tank. Together they'd complement each other, with a well-rounded set of tanks and a wide variety of aircraft.

AUSTRIA
Austria's strengths lie in in its excellent infantry, which excellently supplements Switzerland. However, Austria is generally lacking in high-end equipment, which would restrict their ability to compete with other nations.

LOGISTICS
Spoiler : LOG :
COMMAND

Schützenpanzer 4K 4FA-FüA
MG74

M47 FüA
M60 FüA
Pinzgauer FüA
Puch G FüA

FUEL

Steyr 680M
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ÖAF SLKW
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1500L

S-56Öe
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CH-53 Sea Stallion


INFANTRY
Spoiler : INF :
Jäger
It's kind of hard to find names that haven't been used when there's already two German-language nations in the game. The simplest name has been used here for simplicity. In 1975 they'd be armed with FN FALs. Austria acquired the M72 illegally, but as far as I can tell decided not to adopt it. Instead they adopted the Carl Gustav RCL. The result is that Austrian line infantry are like Pansarskytter, but with MG3's: StG 58, PAR66, MG74

Jäger '85
Austrian line infantry were given the Steyr AUG in 1978: StG 77, PAR66, MG74.

Militz
Austrian conscripts armed with FN FALs and Swedish Minimans: StG 58, PAR 70.

Fallschirmjäger
Austrian paratroopers, but unlike their BRD and DDR cousins, these are not Elite special forces, they're just cool guys who jump out of planes. StG 58, PAR66, MG74

Fallschirmjäger '85
StG 77, PAR66, MG74

Gebirgsjäger
Mountain infantry. They'd fill the Shock Light Infantry role for Austria. StG 58, PAR66, MG74.

Gebirsjäger '85
StG 77, PAR66, MG74

Jagdkommando
Austrian special forces. Armed with Steyr AUG, PAR66, and MG74.

RPaK
Occasionally nations get to use heavy support weapons for their infantry, see e.g. Nörrlandsjagare and Blue/Red Dragon FIST teams. In this spirit, Austria could get the M40 as a FIST team: StG 77, rPaK M40

PAL2000
Austria bought the RBS-56 from Sweden in 1988. This is a two-man anti-tank team with Steyr AUG and the RBS-56.

Mistral
Austria operates the Mistral. Steyr AUG, Mistral. A-CAT prototype.


SUPPORT
Spoiler : SUP :
ANTI-AIR

Pinzgauer Mistral
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Mistral on a Pinzgauer. Prototype.

ARTILLERY

Panzerhaubitze M109
An American M109, purchased in 1973/1974.

Panzerhaubitze M109A2
This is your regular American M109A2, purchased in 1988.

Panzerhaubitze M109A5Ö
In 1993 the Austrian armed forces ordered an upgrade of their M109A2's to A5 standard.

Schützenpanzer A1 GrW 82
81mm mortar in the Saurer 4K

Schützenpanzer A1 GrW 86
120mm mortar in the Saurer 4K

M-51
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(RM-51 pictured)

The M-51 was a Czechoslovakian RM-51 mounted on a Steyr 680 truck. The RM-51 was itself a Czechoslovakian variant of the BM-13. Different sources list different dates for this thing; I've seen 1969, 1974, and "the 1960's" as different possibilities. In any case, it doesn't matter much since it's all pre-1975 anyway.

TANK
Spoiler : TNK :
M24 Chafee

M47 Patton

M60A1 Patton

M60A3 Patton


RECON
Spoiler : REC :
Jagdkampf
Like the other German nations, Austria gets Militia recon. These, however, are the specially equipped Jagdkampf units that were trained in stay-behind and long-distance recon and given excellent equipment, making them probably the most heavily armed Militia in the game. Their high level of skill and training may merit an upgrade to Regular or Shock level. StG58 (FN FAL), PAR66 (Carl Gustav) , MG74 (MG3)

Puch G [Recon]

Kurassier SK-105 [Recon]
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This is a Saurer hull with the turret from an AMX-13 mounted. It has protection from light autocannon fire in the front arc and small arms fire in all other arcs.

AB 206A [Recon]
An Augusta Bell 206A in the recon role.

OH-58B Kiowa
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OH-58B Kiowa in the recon role. Twin 7.62mm miniguns.

TODO: add more recon

VEHICLES
Spoiler : VEH :
TRANSPORT

Schützenpanzer 4K 4FA-G1
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12.7 üsMG

Schützenpanzer 4K 4FA-G2
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20mm autocannon, MG3

Pandur
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12.7mm üsMG
1996 Prototype

Ulan
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The Ulan was a join Austrian-Italian project to build a modern IFV. The project ran in the early '90s and it was ready for production in 1996, but Austria didn't managed to actually acquire theirs until 2001 because of delays. It could, potentially, be included as a 1996 Prototype, but is somewhat OOTF.

ANTI-AIR

Flak 58
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20mm AA gun on Pinzgauer

Flakpanzer M42
M42 Duster

ANTI-TANK

Kurassier SK-105
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This is a Saurer hull with the turret from an AMX-13 mounted. It has protection from light autocannon fire in the front arc and small arms fire in all other arcs.

Pinzgauer 106mm
M40 106mm recoilless rifle on a Pinzgauer

HELICOPTER

Spoiler : HEL :
TRANSPORT

AB206
Huey, probably armed with MG3 door guns.

AB212
Twin Huey, probably armed with MG3 door guns.


PLANE

Spoiler : PLN :
SAAB 105Ö
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J-35ÖE
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SWITZERLAND
Switzerland would be a more well-rounded nation than Austria in terms of equipment, but until the 90's their infantry is a joke due to severely outdated equipment. To fully round them out they also need a great amount of prototypes, though there is surprisingly much to choose from.

LOGISTICS
Spoiler : LOG :
COMMAND

Kommando Puch 230

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Kommando Panzer 93+
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Command Piranah IIC.

Kommando Schützenpanzer 63
12.7mm M2

Kommando Panzer 61
Kommando Panzer 68
Kommando Alouette III
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FUEL

Saurer 2 DM
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500L

Raupentransportwagen 68
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INFANTRY
Spoiler : INF :
Füsiliere
The standard infantry of Switzerland. They're armed with SIG SG 510's and MG3s and the by far outdated Blindicide anti-tank rocket launcher.
Sturmgewehr 57, Blindicide, MG710

Füsiliere ‘90
In 1989/1990 Switzerland ordered Panzerfaust 3's for their soldiers, which upgrades them to useful levels. Their SG 510's are swapped for SIG 550's.
Sturmgewehr 90, Panzerfaust 3, MG710

Gebirgsschützen
Mountain infantry that fills the Shock Light Infantry role. Much like their US companions, their M47 leaves a lot to wish for.
Sturmgewehr 57, M47 Dragon, MG710

Gebirgsschützen ‘90
...and they don't even get the Super Dragon in the 90's!
Sturmgewehr 90, M47 Dragon, MG710

[Reservists]
Sturmgewehr 57, Blindicide, MG51

FIM-92 Stinger
Sturmgewehr 57, Stinger

Bunkerfaust
The 'Bunkerfaust' was a 1995 rocket for the Panzerfaust 3 designed to attack bunkers and emplacement. I figure it makes for a nice Prototype FIST team.
Sturmgewehr 90, Panzerfaust 3


SUPPORT
Spoiler : SUP :
ANTI AIRCRAFT

Rapier-on-a-truck
Swiss Rapier missiles were pulled behind trucks, not mounted on their beds, but I figure that in the interests of playability, letting them put their Rapier launchers on the back of a 2DM or something is no more egregious than letting Norway put their 20mm guns on the back of their trucks.

Fliegerabwehrpanzer 68
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This is a prototype SPAAG from 1979.

MOWAG Crotale Shark
This is a 1981 prototype that attempted to mate the Crotale launcher with a MOWAG Shark hull.

MOWAG Wildcat Shark
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This is a 1981 prototype that attempt to mount a British Wildcat SPAAG turret on a MOWAG Shark hull.

Piranah ADATS
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The ADATS is a Swiss system; I think it only fitting that Switzerland be given some, though they never did actually operated it themselves.

ARTILLERY

M113 Mortar
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I couldn't figure out much about this system; it's a mortar in an M113.

Schützenpanzer 63 SNORA
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This is an M113 with 30 81mm SNORA rockets. It has a range of 10 km, can fire 600 rounds per minute (i.e. for five seconds) and it uses rockets loaded with either HE or HEAT warheads.


Panzerkanone 68
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This is a domestic 1972 prototype artillery cannon. It was at most in use for a few years, but the Swiss artillery tab is so sparse they may need this just to be a complete nation.

Panzerhaubitze 66
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This is an American M109 acquired in 1974.

Panzerhaubitze 88
This is an M109A1 acquired in 1988.


TANK
Spoiler : TNK :
AMX-13
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Panzer M47

Panzer 55 Mk 3
Centurion, 1955
Panzer 55 Mk5
1955

Panzer 55 Mk7
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1957
Panzer 55 Mk12
1975

Panzer 61
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A domestic Swiss tank from 1964.

Panzer 68 1Serie
A domestic Swiss tank from 1971.

Panzer 68AA2
1974

Panzer 68/75
1978

Panzer 68AA5
1988

Panzer 68/88
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1993

Panzer 87
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License-produced Leopard 2A4, 1987


RECON
Spoiler : REC :
INFANTRY

Kommando Spesialkrafte
Don't let the name fool you; these are just Shock, like the US Rangers. The Swiss Grenadiers are mountaineers here used for their reconnaisance capabilities.
StG 77, Blindicide, MG710

Fallschirmaufklärer
Elite parachute reconnaissance troops from the Parachute Reconnaissance Company 17 special forces unit.
StG 77, Blindicide, MG710

VEHICLE

Puch 230 [Recon]
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MOWAG Eagle
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MOWAG SPY
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HELICOPTER

Alouette II
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VEHICLE
Spoiler : VEH :
TRANSPORT

Schützenpanzer 63
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Schützenpanzer 63/73
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Oerlikon 20mm in a Hagglunds turret.

MOWAG Piranha 4×4
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MOWAG Piranha 6×6
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MOWAG Piranha 8x8
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PROTOTYPE TRANSPORTS

MOWAG Piranha IIIC 10×10
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View from the back. Additional front view. This is a 1994 prototype for a ten-wheeled Piaranah. The extra wheels would have allowed it to carry extra armraments, here an autocannon and 76mm anti-tank rockets: Oerlikon 35mm, Nebelwurfbecher 76mm. FN MAG

MOWAG Shark
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7.62mm MG + 35mm autocannon, 1981 Prototype. This is perhaps more interesting as a platform for the Crotale and Wildcat turrets than as a transport in itself, if Switzerland are given the 10x10, Trojan, or Tornado.

MOWAG Trojan
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Alternate. An IFV with a 25mm KBA B02 autocannon and an MG3.

MOWAG Tornado
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A 1980 prototype IFV with 25mm KBA B02 autocannon and two MG3's in remote-controlled turrets.

ANTI-TANK
Panzerjäger 90
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TOW 2, B CAT

MOWAG 6x6 Mephisto HOT
MOWAG 6x6 with the turret of a VAB Mephisto.

Panzerjäger G-13
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Yes, that is a Hetzer.

Panzerjäger Gepard
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This prototype tank destroyer could mount a 90mm cannon or even the L7 105mm cannon and an MG3. It had an operational range of 500 km.

Panzerjäger Taifun
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This is a descendant of the Gepard; a lightly armoured (50mm armor capable of taking light autocannon fire but not much more), armed with either the L7 105mm gun or a Rheinmetal 120mm L/55. It never left the prototype stage.

MOWAG Shark Rh 105-11
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A 1982 prototype attempt to put a powerful Rheinmetal 105mm tank gun on a Shark hull.

MOWAG Shark FL-12
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Aiming less high, an attempt to put a French FL-12 105mm low-pressure gun on the Shark hull.


Puch M40
M40 Recoilless Rifle on a Puch 230.

Puch TOW 2
BGM-71D TOW 2 on a Puch 230.

HELI
Spoiler : HEL :
TRANSPORT

Alouette III
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AS332M1 Super Puma
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PLANE
Spoiler : PLN :
Hawker Hunter T.58
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ADEN, Napalm, 2x Sidewinder B

Hawker Hunter T.58A
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ADEN, 32x SNORA, 2x Sidewinder B

Hawker Hunter T.68
Multipurpose: ADEN, BL755, 4x Sidewinder E

Hawker Hunter KAWEST
Multipurpose: ADEN, 2x 450 kg bombs, 4x Sidewinder E.

Hunter 80
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Anti-tank: ADEN, 4x AGM-65, 2x Sidewinder E

Mirage IIIC
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The Mirage III fleet war mostly used as interceptors with the Hunters in the ground-attack role, but Switzerland could mount AS 30 anti-tank missiles to theirs. DEFA 552, AS 30 Nora, AIM-9 Sidewinder

Mirage IIIS
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Interceptor. DEFA 552, HM-55S (Rb27), AIM-9 Sidewinder

F-5E Tiger
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The F-5E Tiger was only used for the air superiority role: 20mm M39, SIWA AIM-9P

F/A-18C
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Air Superiority: 20mm M61A1, 2 AIM-9P Sidewinder, 4x AIM-120 AMRAAM
1996 Prototype

F/A-18D
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Multirole: 20mm M61A1, 2 AIM-9P Sidewinder, bomb of some kind
1996 Prototype
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Re: [Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Gunner » Fri 3 Jun 2016 00:41

Looking good, hope they will add this eventually.

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Re: [Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Narcissistic Black » Fri 3 Jun 2016 02:07

Maybe some Austrian Stuff you forgot or haven't found.


Logistics

S-65A/CH-53 Stallion (Deliveries made in 1970)
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SMGs
P90 (Service date unknown)
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Sniper rifles
Steyr SSG 69 (Service date 1969)
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JAGDKOMMANDO '90




Support

M109 (Deliveries made between 1973 - 1974)
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(Austrian Designation M-109)

M109A1 (Deliveries made between 1987 - 1988)
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(Austrian Designation M-109A1)

M109A5 (Deliveries made between 1997 - 1998)
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(Austrian Designation M-109A5)



Recon
SA-316B Alouette-3 (Deliveries made between 1973 - 1974)
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OH-58 (Service date unknown)
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Tanks


Leopard 2 (Deliveries made between 1997 - 1998)
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Vehicles

4K7FA FSCV 90 (Prototype Year unknown)
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Ulan IFV (Prototypes in 1996)
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Pandur I
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Jaguar-1 (Deliveries made in 1995)
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(Austrian Designation RJPZ-1 "Jaguar" or RJPz "Jaguar")



Planes

Saab 105 (Service date unknown)
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J-35D Draken (Deliveries made between 1988 - 1989)
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Missiles

HOT-2 (Deliveries made in 1997)
HOT-3 (Deliveries made in 1998)



RBS-56 BILL (Deliveries made between 1989 - 1993)

(Austrian Designation PAL-2000)

RBS-56B BILL-2 (Deliveries made between 1988 - 1989)

(Austrian Designation PAL-2000)



SRAAM
AIM-9P (Deliveries made in 1998)
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Re: [Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Eukie » Fri 3 Jun 2016 11:49

Thanks, added some planes and helis.

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Re: [Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Xeno426 » Fri 3 Jun 2016 19:53

Austria's planes would be crap. They were still primarily using cannons through the 80s. They only got about 20 AIM-9Ps in the mid-90s.

They got F-5Es in the 2000s.

Have fun with a crap airforce.

On the other hand, Switzerland is the only country in the game that could have more than two AIM-9s on their F-5.
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Re: [Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Mike » Fri 3 Jun 2016 20:00

AIM-9X is waaayyyy out of time frame.
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Re: [Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Xeno426 » Fri 3 Jun 2016 20:17

Mike wrote:AIM-9X is waaayyyy out of time frame.

And no fucking way should anyone get it before the US.
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Re: [Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Mike » Fri 3 Jun 2016 20:58

Xeno426 wrote:
Mike wrote:AIM-9X is waaayyyy out of time frame.

And no fucking way should anyone get it before the US.


No rage over F/A-18 ASF with AIM-120s when the US doesn't have one? :P
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Re: [Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Razzmann » Fri 3 Jun 2016 20:59

Mike wrote:
Xeno426 wrote:
Mike wrote:AIM-9X is waaayyyy out of time frame.

And no fucking way should anyone get it before the US.


No rage over F/A-18 ASF with AIM-120s when the US doesn't have one? :P

Your fault for not playing naval :roll:

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Re: [Non-included Coalition] Neutral Central Europe (Austria+Switzerland)

Postby Eukie » Fri 3 Jun 2016 22:05

Mike wrote:AIM-9X is waaayyyy out of time frame.


Whoops! Swapped them for P's. I was copying the weapon lists from the Swiss Air Force website, and didn't think to check whether the type of Sidewinder had been upgraded since 1996. ^_^;

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