Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby kvasius » Sat 16 Jul 2016 12:43

feeblezak wrote:The MiG-23BN should probably be a cluster bomber, similar to East Germany's, as in my lineup i neglected to give them one.
Probably.
The MiG-23MF sticks out though. They already have plenty of air to air fighters, MiG-17PF, MiG-21bis, MiG-23ML and MiG-29. I suppose it could become another air-ground fighter?
Its a fighter plane, so... nope.
MiG-17PF with the K-13s probably isn't strictly necessary, but i think it'd be a cool and unique helicopter-killer given it's 37mm and 23mm guns, slow speed and missiles.
Yep.

There are info about 2 Mi-2 helicopters in FAR service though.
We could also replace MF with Albatros L-39C they have in service, and make it a cheap multirole like CZ one.
Also, switching line '75 and marines '75 loadouts around seems logical.

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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby feeblezak » Sat 16 Jul 2016 12:46

Oh wow, how did i forget their L-39s :?
Give the MiG-19PFM its 5600m Missile back!!
If Someone could tell the drivers of the T-72M1M's and T-72B's to close their hatches, cheers.

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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby feeblezak » Sat 16 Jul 2016 15:17

The MiG-17 armed with K-13 missiles is actually a Czechoslovak-made S-104.

Cuba never operated the MiG-17PF, receiving the S-104, MiG-17A and MiG-17F. Reports conflict but they received anywhere between 40-100 of. I'll update my post accordingly
Give the MiG-19PFM its 5600m Missile back!!
If Someone could tell the drivers of the T-72M1M's and T-72B's to close their hatches, cheers.

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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby feeblezak » Sat 16 Jul 2016 16:46

Cuban aircraft introduction dates:

Aero S-104: 1962
MiG-17F: 1964
MiG-17A: 1969
MiG-21F-13: 1963
MiG-21PFM: 1966
MiG-21MF: 1974
MiG-21bis: 1976
MiG-23BN: 1978
MiG-23ML: 1985
Aero L-39: 1982
MiG-29 9.12B: 1989
Give the MiG-19PFM its 5600m Missile back!!
If Someone could tell the drivers of the T-72M1M's and T-72B's to close their hatches, cheers.

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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby Grabbed_by_the_Spets » Sat 16 Jul 2016 19:17

feeblezak wrote:I've decided to create my own unit roster. Basically to improve and expand on the information in the OP and add my own take to the prospect of Cuba within Red Dragon. Feel free to comment and stuff. I'm also going to attempt to do something for the Air Tab. Not too long ago I bought a book on Latin American fighters which had some information on the Cuban Air Force


Infantry (just gonna use english names) Tab

Line'75: FN FAL, RPG-7, RPD
Line'90: AKM, RPG-7VR (RPG-18??), RPK
Para'75: AKM, SPG-9, RPD
Para'90: AK-74, RPG-29, RPK-74
Don't think I've ever seen a Cuban troop with a 74. I'm also still doubting the existence of the RPG-29...
Militia: any small arm would do I think, SKS would suit them, as would PPSH and PM 63. Other weapons could be RPG-2 and RP-46
I don't think Cuba received many RPG-2's, maybe a Super bazooka would be more fitting? I also don't think the SKS was used for anyhting more then ceremony, weapons popular with the miltias during the Bay of Pigs were Vz.53/57, Vz.24 or WW2 vintage US rifles like the M1A1 carbine or Garand.
Flamethrower team, no expansion necessary
Malyutka team: PPSH and Malyutka
Fagot team: AKM and FAGOT
Malyutka-2M team: AKM and Malyutka-2M
Strela-2 Team: PPSH and Strela-2
Igla Team: AKM and Igla
Marines'75: SKS, RPG-7, RPD
FAL would be more appropriate.
Marines'90: AKM, RPG-7VR, RPK
Light Shock'75: PPSH, RPG-7, RPD
Light Shock'90: PM-63, RPG-7VR, RPK

Tanks Tab

T-34-85
IS-2M
T-55
T-55A
T-55AM
T-55AM2 (w/out missile)
T-62 obr 1967
T-62 obr 1972
T-62M (w/out missile)
T-72 Ural??? (Do they even have this?)
Never seen a Cuban T-72, but some people are adamant that they exist..

Support Tab

Howitzers (going to avoid the 2S1 and 2S3 in favour of more interesting kitbashes they made themselves)Why?

BRDM-2 120mm mortar
AAP-T-122 (122mm D-30 on T-34 Chassis, several variants exist) http://s22.postimg.org/6pzq4p4jl/image.jpg
AAP-BMP-122 (122mm D-30 on BMP-1 Chassis) http://s27.postimg.org/pr1ri6vrn/704237 ... hiclec.jpg
AAP-T-130 (130mm M-46 on T-55 Chassis) http://s23.postimg.org/aoskvc82z/0_11ee ... 0cf_XL.jpg
Jupiter III (122mm D-30 variant) http://s13.postimg.org/n0k6k6hg7/0_11ee ... adc_XL.jpg
Jupiter V (130mm M-46 variant) http://s8.postimg.org/exg9cqu6t/0_11ee8 ... 5b4_XL.jpg
The Jupiter I/II earlier variants use the M-46 too

Multiple Rocket Launcher

Canimar-57 (this monstrosity: http://s30.postimg.org/tfl2m2cmp/Screen ... _32_46.png) Horrible MRL with some RPGs on top [img]Better%20suited%20for%20the%20Vech%20tab.[/img]
BM-21/RM-51. I favour the RM-51 for more flavor. Completely different vehicles. Don't know why they would clash.
BM-24
RBU-6000 ''Frontera'' 213mm. Anti-submarine launcher on the back of a truck intended for use on ground targets

Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns

ZSU-23-4
ZSU-23-4 w/ Strela Might pay to make it the "M" version too..
BTR-60-23-2 (BTR-60 with ZU-23-2) http://s27.postimg.org/6jeo9ai9v/7_WDq_NEz.jpg
BTR-30-2 (BTR with Romanian twin 30mm gun) http://s24.postimg.org/zdxqq2jbp/23sg7yt.png
BTR-37-2 Duplex (BTR with twin 37mm M1939s) http://s13.postimg.org/dcxa1oc87/52545_970x600_1.jpg
Afew of those BTR could also fit into the Vech tab too.

SAMs

Strela-1
Strela-1 K-13, Strela-1 upgraded (downgraded :shock: ) to fire K-13 missile (I think) http://s28.postimg.org/m83we0az1/Screen ... _04_12.png
Strela-10
2K12 KUB
OSA AK(M) (I am unsure if it is the AK and AKM version Cuba operate)
T-55 S-75 (S-75 on T-55 hull. I suggest 10 HE System because it only has a single missile) Nope
T-55 S-125 (practically the same to the Polish version) Polish version use modified modern seekers, this would be more like the NK version.

Recon Tab

BRDM-2
BTR-40
BTR-40 Jabail (BTR-40 with Falanga missiles)
PT-76
David Iguana w/ MG
Recon Infantry, border guards with SKS and RPG-7 No SKS.
Recon SF, if anyone can give a suggestion for this that'd be great Based on the black wasps? AK-PBS, SPG-9D and RPK
BTR-100 http://s10.postimg.org/hhivkllp5/0_11ee ... f7d_XL.jpg
Mi-8 Recon

Vehicle Tab

Truck-mounted ZPU-4 http://s28.postimg.org/5jjqim0jh/1444.png
BTR-152-23-2 (BTR-152 with ZU-23-2) http://s8.postimg.org/5em9z142d/3da.png
ZSU-57-2
SU-100
AAPMP-100 (T-34 with KS-100 Anti-aircraft gun) http://s3.postimg.org/4jqq28ts3/cuks19_001.jpg http://s14.postimg.org/i63ap69gh/J4s5o_Mw.jpg
CATAP-100 (BMP-1 with T-12 Anti-tank gun) http://s10.postimg.org/ms67uuzh5/675.png
2P32 Falanga
9P133 Malyutka

Helicopters Tab

Mi-24D
Mi-24D w/ Kokon modification
Mi-8 Gunship
Mi-4 Gunship

Infantry Transports

Zil-131
David Iguana
BTR-152
BTR-50
BTR-60P
BTR-60PB
BTR-60-73 (without missile)
BTR-60-73 Malyutka
BTR-70 http://s33.postimg.org/c3f29uqz3/Wgw_Cf_Nm_jpg_1.jpg (might be a post-2000 weapons sale)
BMP-1 without missile
BMP-1 Malyutka
BMP-1P
BMD-1 without missile
BMD-1 Malyutka
Mi-4
Mi-8 (unarmed) No unarmed transports
Mi-8 (Rocket pods and machine gun)
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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby hansbroger » Sat 16 Jul 2016 20:41

A DPRK Chonma-Ho or Pokpung-Ho purchase/derived upgrade or a Czech ERA+Kinetics (ie DYNA-1) upgrade to existing T-55AM/T-62M series tanks is imo far more likely for the FAR than a T-72 variant (if going by a purely historical considerations). However if we're talking Soviet troops "donating" equipment then we might as well consider the sky as the limit, why not T-72/T-80?

Let's not forget the 2K6 LUNA as well seeing as piddling little minors can get into the SRBM game....

FAR+DPRK+PLA
Or just FAR+DPRK ftw
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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby Killertomato » Sat 16 Jul 2016 20:42

I want them to get the T-72 so I can reenact Vortex when South Africa inevitably appears.
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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby feeblezak » Sat 16 Jul 2016 21:28

I think the claims that they got T-72s when the Soviets left are confusing the T-72s with T-62Ms, which were left behind by the Soviets. According to this anyway: https://ospreypublishing.com/t-62-main- ... -1965-2005

That doesn't explain the other rumours though.
Give the MiG-19PFM its 5600m Missile back!!
If Someone could tell the drivers of the T-72M1M's and T-72B's to close their hatches, cheers.

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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby hansbroger » Sat 16 Jul 2016 21:34

Killertomato wrote:I want them to get the T-72 so I can reenact Vortex when South Africa inevitably appears.


+1 Olifant v T-72 tussle in the plains while Ratels, Elands and Rorikats rough it up with souped up BTRs and BRDMs in the bush 8-)
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Re: Cuban Units in Wargame RD!

Postby kvasius » Sun 17 Jul 2016 06:50

T-62M's were indeed left behind by 139th training center too. 30 of them or so. But even Russians claim that they also left behind 50(51) T-72s. It is unknown, what modification they were though.

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