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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby keldon » Sun 11 Sep 2016 22:24

Admiral Piett wrote:
keldon wrote:It's 金三胖 or the third chubby of Kims.


Hahahaha, that is even more adorable than I thought. :lol:


I can up the fun even more.

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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby Admiral Piett » Mon 12 Sep 2016 03:17

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nationa ... 0315F.html

A group of security and nuclear experts has recently launched a think tank to discuss ways to arm South Korea with nuclear weapons, while ruling party lawmakers on Sunday renewed calls for the redeployment of U.S. tactical nuclear weapons here and eventually South Korea's independent nuclear weapons development in response to North Korea's repeated nuclear tests.


The Park administration is trying to bury the mounting discussion of nuclear weapons:

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northko ... 0315F.html

South Korean presidential office Cheong Wa Dae on Sunday rejected some local reports that the government is considering nuclear armament amid increasing threats posed by North Korea.


Reports that North Korea has another nuke ready to test (though take this with a grain of salt):

http://www.reuters.com/article/northkor ... SS6N14Q044

Satellite imagery of the test site in late August with analysis:

http://38north.org/2016/09/punggye090816/
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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby another505 » Mon 12 Sep 2016 03:24

keldon wrote:
Admiral Piett wrote:As an aside, the Chinese nickname for the Kims is "Chubby #1, #2 and #3" right? I say "Chubby the Third" for example, but I don't think that is an entirely correct translation.


It's 金三胖

Beautiful name :lol:
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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby Mike » Mon 12 Sep 2016 06:58

Admiral Piett wrote:http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2016/09/11/56/0301000000AEN20160911001200315F.html

A group of security and nuclear experts has recently launched a think tank to discuss ways to arm South Korea with nuclear weapons, while ruling party lawmakers on Sunday renewed calls for the redeployment of U.S. tactical nuclear weapons here and eventually South Korea's independent nuclear weapons development in response to North Korea's repeated nuclear tests.


I'd really like to think the US would never respond with nuclear force. They could turn the Korean peninsula into a glowing desert.
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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby delfo » Mon 12 Sep 2016 20:07

Mike wrote:
Admiral Piett wrote:http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2016/09/11/56/0301000000AEN20160911001200315F.html

A group of security and nuclear experts has recently launched a think tank to discuss ways to arm South Korea with nuclear weapons, while ruling party lawmakers on Sunday renewed calls for the redeployment of U.S. tactical nuclear weapons here and eventually South Korea's independent nuclear weapons development in response to North Korea's repeated nuclear tests.


I'd really like to think the US would never respond with nuclear force. They could turn the Korean peninsula into a glowing desert.


The focus on the NK weapons and military program for a while has been doing just that ( making the country unlivable to some extent via neglect in the aftermath of flooding ) given their government's lack of leftover resources or well in some case interest in responding:

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-a ... missing-un

This was last week. We have to remember that because of the way the state operates a big storm hitting North Korea could be almost an extinction event if it hits prior to a cold winter. And Lumpy will continue to work on Nukes and body fat.

Here you have a map:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/12/asia/ ... admission/

It's terrible. The way North Korea does agriculture in the area also leads to increase risk of flooding.

Also the province is home of the Nuclear test site.

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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby DrRansom » Mon 12 Sep 2016 21:09

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It was only a matter of time before the South said enough of this shit bring it bitch.
Anyway the problem with the NK WMDs is will they actually reach south korea? What with all the SAM's and shitty NK rockets

Personally I want the president of the south to challenge the NK fat boy on camera and then drop the Mic


From DPRK's statements, they have been testing a standardized warhead to be fitted atop a ballistic missile (SCUD, etc?). DPRK has had 5 tests to get the design right, that is about as many as are needed for any nuclear power.

The problem is that any pre-emptive strike analysis now must consider fighting in a nuclear battlefield, with DPRK capable of using several nuclear weapons during the conflict. Recall that US has never successfully demonstrated tracking mobile TELs...

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North Korea nuclear test: South would reduce Pyongyang 'to ashes'


Sweet Jesus


RoK can't reduce Pyongyang to ashes. It lacks the airpower to do so.

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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby Vulcan 607 » Mon 12 Sep 2016 21:54

You forget any attempt to use Nukes results in all major NK targets being vaporized by US ICBMs

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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby DrRansom » Mon 12 Sep 2016 21:56

Vulcan 607 wrote:You forget any attempt to use Nukes results in all major NK targets being vaporized by US ICBMs


Yes, after several thousands to tens of thousands of RoK civilians die in a Seoul nuclear strike.

The problem for a first strike is that, yes, a counter-strike will annihilate DPRK. But, the nuclear attack will almost certainly be a counter-strike to a DPRK nuclear attack.

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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby Vulcan 607 » Mon 12 Sep 2016 22:03

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Vulcan 607 wrote:You forget any attempt to use Nukes results in all major NK targets being vaporized by US ICBMs


Yes, after several thousands to tens of thousands of RoK civilians die in a Seoul nuclear strike.

The problem for a first strike is that, yes, a counter-strike will annihilate DPRK. But, the nuclear attack will almost certainly be a counter-strike to a DPRK nuclear attack.


the NK weapons have to get through Would assume SK would have likely nuclear launcher locations and targets mapped NK likes digging things underground makes them hard to kill but limits their mobility don't think they would risk them in the open though I guess the could double bluff

Also Fat boy has to know China will be get rid of him if they think he will start a nuclear conflict

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Re: East, Southeast and South Asia News

Postby DrRansom » Mon 12 Sep 2016 22:11

Vulcan 607 wrote:
the NK weapons have to get through Would assume SK would have likely nuclear launcher locations and targets mapped NK likes digging things underground makes them hard to kill but limits their mobility don't think they would risk them in the open though I guess the could double bluff

Also Fat boy has to know China will be get rid of him if they think he will start a nuclear conflict


DPRK has a reputation for tunneling capability. Building a tunnel under a mountain with multiple exits is well within their capability. Such a launch site will be invulnerable to almost all non-nuclear weapons. It will require successful strikes on all exits to seal-up any launchers inside the tunnel system. Doing that attack before DPRK launches the missile will be tough.

Again, remember that the US failed to find and destroy SCUD launchers in flat desert.

I assume that nuclear weapons will only be used in a general conflict. In that case, Kim Jung Un already knows that his survival is questionable and he'd have nothing to lose.

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