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Re: World news thread

Postby Frencho » Wed 25 Oct 2017 22:32

Ok, you openly admit you skim what I post and dont even try to use counterfactuals. K fade Il just wait for you to prove me wrong. So you cant stop the falacies bait I wont bother.

Ive made my case, ad hominems wont make yours.

P. S. Keep disregarding the video of the m1a2 being hit by the atgm and the t 90 being hit by the atgm, same gen. Also Saudi M1A2s arent as old as leo2a4s. But sure malicious nipticking will prove you right.

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Re: World news thread

Postby Fade2Gray » Wed 25 Oct 2017 22:43

Frencho wrote:Ive made my case, ad hominems wont make yours.

Now that is some powerful hypocrisy right there.

I'm sorry you can't stand having your use of fallacies pointed out to you and explained clearly when you've been trying to insult me and go full deflo on me as well.

Frencho wrote:P. S. Keep disregarding the video of the m1a2 being hit by the atgm and the t 90 being hit by the atgm, same gen. Also Saudi M1A2s arent as old as leo2a4s.

If you had actually read my post, you'd realize I have not. Stop being upset at being called out for your shenanigans. You are literally lying about what I'm posting now if not outright warping what I've posted. Now that can be taken as malicious, and speaking of that...

Frencho wrote:But sure malicious nipticking will prove you right.

Pointing out all of your fallacies is "malicious nitpicking" now? Seriously. :lol:

I gave you just enough rope to hang yourself with, and you did it with gleeful abandon. Don't get mad at me for what you did to yourself.
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Re: World news thread

Postby Frencho » Wed 25 Oct 2017 23:23

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Frencho wrote:P. S. Keep disregarding the video of the m1a2 being hit by the atgm and the t 90 being hit by the atgm, same gen. Also Saudi M1A2s arent as old as leo2a4s.

If you had actually read my post, you'd realize I have not. Stop being upset at being called out for your shenanigans. You are literally lying about what I'm posting now if not outright warping what I've posted. Now that can be taken as malicious, and speaking of that...


Yes you have disregarded it, there is zero content in your post discussing that specific video, I'm not warping anything nor lying, see for yourself:

You make a request and I provide.

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Fade2Gray wrote:Please tell me you have more than one case to reference for this, because otherwise I'm going to outright dismiss it. Also, exactly where was it hit?

Correction, the one suffering an ammunition cook off was hit on the turret bustle from upper ground. There's two other Abrams being hit on this video, I'm positive at least one was hit on the turrets frontal arc resulting in a mission kill (second one in the vid dug in position).



There ware GIFs of other Saudi M1A2s being hit by ATGMs (They've lost about 20), you can try googling them or read through SteelBeast or Armored Warfare threads if you have the time to find them.

another505 wrote:AESA radar, for air/ground detection, APS and firing solution


All these features were already present on the K2 Black Panther, which was officially introduced in 2013, so before Armata... South East Asians are on the top of their game ATM when it comes to MBT tech!


Then you don't even discuss what you requested, just disregard it.

Fade2Gray wrote:There's a significant difference in survivablity when you start talking about 15-20+ tons of weight difference. Also, my biggest fear isn't from ATGMs, which are what you are referencing (and with piss poor "evidence" to back up your claims for that matter). There's all sorts of ways of dealing with ATGMs nowadays, and you can safely add in more protection from them without causing massive weight gains.

I'm talking about Russian main gun rounds, which are a whole different matter. APS are not exactly developed enough to protect against sabots just yet even if the Germans are apparently having some success with it.


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Fade2Gray wrote:Oh come now Frencho, don't be salty over being called out for pushing baseless information. You made a claim, you didn't have evidence for it, even tried to use a "shift the burden" fallacy on me, and I dismissed your claims that do not even get at what I was worried about.


So, Fade the only acknowledgment you've shown of the video is dismissing it as piss poor evidence for some reason you did not get into. Then you did a full 180 and declared it is baseless, the video is not evidence according to you.

The last 3 pages entirely consist of you deflecting by going completely off topic and focusing on having me admit "fallacies" instead of addressing the issue at hand, you don't even bother in proving my point wrong.
Telling you that you can find more info on the hypothesis I just substantiated, out there in the world wide web makes my entire hypothesis completely void somehow, oh man I am doomed :roll: !

Conclusion is you haven't brought anything to the table besides adhominems and trying to bully Frenchy here into the great fallacies distracting act.

Good thing I take some fun in putting dumb bullies out in the open.
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Re: World news thread

Postby Fade2Gray » Wed 25 Oct 2017 23:52

There's something ironic about complaining about being "nitpicked" by a former NCO in the US military, and then gives said former NCO reasons to do so.

Frencho wrote:Correction, the one suffering an ammunition cook off was hit on the turret bustle from upper ground. There's two other Abrams being hit on this video, I'm positive at least one was hit on the turrets frontal arc resulting in a mission kill (second one in the vid dug in position).

So, you are "positive" about it, eh? Show me exactly where the tanks got hit then. You can't? Sounds like something to be easily dismissed and ignored. I asked for solid evidence, this simply is not. My apologies for not acknowledging such baseless "proof" as I thought you were talking about something else, my bad. After you trying to reference a tank with the ammo cooking off after being hit from the front only for you to backtrack and go "oops it was hit from the top" this doesn't smack of credibility either.

Frencho wrote:So, Fade the only acknowledgment you've shown of the video is dismissing it as piss poor evidence for some reason you did not get into. Then you did a full 180 and declared it is baseless, the video is not evidence.

It is piss poor evidence, and can be dismissed as utterly baseless.

The last 3 pages entirely consist of you deflecting by going completely off topic and focusing on having me admit "fallacies" instead of addressing the issue at hand, you don't even bother in proving my point wrong.

You are deflecting, pure and simple. You made a baseless claim, got called on it, and for solid evidence told me to "Google it myself."

Telling you that you can find more info on the stuff I posted out there in the world wide web somehow makes my entire hypothesis completely void somehow, oh man I am doomed :roll: !

You warped my point in an attempt to look smart, failed to do so, and buried yourself in even more fallacies. To top it off, you whined about me being using ad hominems when you yourself are using them.

Good thing I take some fun in putting dumb bullies out in the open.

Case in point, some very very powerful hypocrisy from you. I didn't bring that fallacy up because talking shit is normal for me, and yet here you are trying to bring it up when you are insulting me left and right to begin with in response to calling you out for fallacies and poor evidence.

Frencho wrote:Ok, you openly admit you skim what I post and...

I love how you are warping what I'm posting. You complain about nitpicking, and yet...

:roll:

Tell me more about how I'm "baiting" when you can't disprove your own fallacies and now can only complain about being "bullied."
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Re: World news thread

Postby Frencho » Wed 25 Oct 2017 23:58

Fade,
I'm positive the second Abrams was a mission kill as it was abandoned by the crew.
But you need to watch it in the first place to know what happened :roll:
I can't show you something you refuse to see.
It was hit on the turret front plate.

I'm still waiting on you bringing some substance to this exchange, and walk me through your hypothesis that a heavier MBT should be better protected, like for 4 pages and about 5 days...

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Re: World news thread

Postby Fade2Gray » Thu 26 Oct 2017 00:22

Frencho wrote:Fade,
I'm positive the second Abrams was a mission kill as it was abandoned by the crew.
But you need to watch it in the first place to know what happened :roll:
I can't show you something you refuse to see.
It was hit on the turret front plate.

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Linking to wiki articles in another attempt to look smart instead of providing said proof isn't very useful, it's just trolling. You know that trolling is malicious right? Pretty much nothing more than another fallacy, which you are so fond of. Now, do you have hard evidence showing exactly where those ATGMs hit, or not? AARs? Pictures? Detailed analysis of actual damage done, and if the crew bailed because of serious damage or if they bailed because they are just trash conscripts? Anything like that, and not just grainy video? Grainy and shaky video is about as sketchy as you can get for "proof." Your analysis is shown to be less than perfect, so I want something far more credible than what you are feel to be "positive" about.

I mean, previously you referenced to the M60T, which is a big ole tall as sin tank, and those needs a LOT of armor to cover half decently. Problem with all that armor? For all that weight it isn't going to be anywhere as effective for the same amount of weight on a much smaller tank, you know...

like the Japanese Type 10, which has even more modern armor on top of that. Just think, I have not yet begun to nitpick yet.

Now, until you provide solid evidence, this discussion is over.
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Re: World news thread

Postby Doinize » Thu 26 Oct 2017 18:10

extremely good tweet from the soon to be new austrian chancellor...

https://twitter.com/sebastiankurz/statu ... 8892868608
Commemorate the fallen soldiers and the victims of the resistance to National Socialism.

The victims of the resistance against the Nazis. Jesus Christ, thats a terrible way to phrase that. Like ok, the phrase is used to refer to resistance members who were killed by the nazis. But maybe one could phrase that in a way that does not also mean the people the resistance killed.
Especially when you are mid coalition talks with a former Wehrmacht-larping skinhead...some people might sense a dogwhistle.
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Re: World news thread

Postby Lord Helmchen » Thu 26 Oct 2017 19:42

Doinize wrote:Happy 100th birthday to the bolshevik revolution owo


Yea, Happy Birthday. :roll:
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Postby Doinize » Thu 26 Oct 2017 23:11

Lord Helmchen wrote:Image
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Re: World news thread

Postby Fade2Gray » Fri 27 Oct 2017 08:08

Doinize is getting edgy again...

not big surprise.
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