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Re: War movies.

Postby Guggy » Wed 23 May 2012 22:31

OpusTheFowl wrote:Actually they missed "The Beast (of War)" too...great movie...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_%281988_film%29



I really need to see that one, Im told its quite fantastic :(

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Re: War movies.

Postby Tac Error » Wed 23 May 2012 22:36

Perhaps the only Russo-Japanese War movie ever?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZAUe3ee2Y
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Re: War movies.

Postby Romiros » Wed 23 May 2012 23:24

OpusTheFowl wrote:Actually they missed "The Beast (of War)" too...great movie...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_%281988_film%29

This movie sucks.

Tac Error wrote:Perhaps the only Russo-Japanese War movie ever?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZAUe3ee2Y


This movie made from pure awesomeness. I love it. And I have no idea where they found so many good Russian-speakers in 1980 in Japan.

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Re: War movies.

Postby OpusTheFowl » Wed 23 May 2012 23:29

Romiros wrote:This movie sucks.


Care to expand on that?

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Re: War movies.

Postby Romiros » Wed 23 May 2012 23:37

OpusTheFowl wrote:
Romiros wrote:This movie sucks.


Care to expand on that?

It is like Rambo 3 or Red Dawn. Just another propaganda presswork without any value to "war film" genre.

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Re: War movies.

Postby OpusTheFowl » Thu 24 May 2012 03:08

Romiros wrote:It is like Rambo 3 or Red Dawn. Just another propaganda presswork without any value to "war film" genre.


Both of those did have some pop-propaganda elements to them that's for sure but what exactly are you objecting to in The Beast? Blanket statements don't really cut it...specifics please.

I thought it painted both sides (what little we saw) in a balanced way and you could easily change the T55 out for an Abrams and move the story ahead 30 years...

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Re: War movies.

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Thu 24 May 2012 08:02

Best war movie ever:
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My second favorite:
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Guggy wrote:This one was good, though I'm not sure how realistic it was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalingrad_%28film%29

Pretty much follows some Germans through Stalingrad. Quite a brutal movie, and shows how the Germans went in with a superior fighting spirit and were quickly snuffed out due to the dreadful nature of street fighting. Features warcrimes aplenty. Seems relatively unbiased from what I recall, as each side takes horrific casualties.

This one about Stalingrad is very good. Much better in my opinion that Jean-Jacques Annaud's "Stalingrad - Enemy at the Gate".
The men vs. tanks battle is to be seen: a German penal unit trying to stop three T-34 from breaking their lines, with only a punny 50mm and anti-tank grenades.

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Re: War movies.

Postby Romiros » Thu 24 May 2012 08:28

OpusTheFowl wrote:
Romiros wrote:It is like Rambo 3 or Red Dawn. Just another propaganda presswork without any value to "war film" genre.


Both of those did have some pop-propaganda elements to them that's for sure but what exactly are you objecting to in The Beast? Blanket statements don't really cut it...specifics please.

I thought it painted both sides (what little we saw) in a balanced way and you could easily change the T55 out for an Abrams and move the story ahead 30 years...

There is no good movies about Soviet-Afghan war. Trust me. Maybe except http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshavar_Waltz
Others - just mix from myths, propaganda, historical mistakes, liberal moral and low budget. They can be good action but they all bad "war movies". 9th platoon had big budget, bud didn't help, it sucks too.

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Guggy wrote:This one was good, though I'm not sure how realistic it was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalingrad_%28film%29

Pretty much follows some Germans through Stalingrad. Quite a brutal movie, and shows how the Germans went in with a superior fighting spirit and were quickly snuffed out due to the dreadful nature of street fighting. Features warcrimes aplenty. Seems relatively unbiased from what I recall, as each side takes horrific casualties.

This one about Stalingrad is very good. Much better in my opinion that Jean-Jacques Annaud's "Stalingrad - Enemy at the Gate".
The men vs. tanks battle is to be seen: a platoon of disciplinary convicts trying to stop three T-34 from breaking their lines, with only a punny 50mm and anti-tank grenades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalingrad ... Forever%3F
This nice too.

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Re: War movies.

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Thu 24 May 2012 09:26

Another good one:

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with the legend ... wait for it ... dary Feldwebel Steiner, aka James Coburn.
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Since I'm a Napoleonic buff, I'm also fond of those ones:

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First I wanted to boycott it, for I hate Holywood's "politically correct" policy that turns an American nemesis into a French one (in the book, the corsair is American!) because "you can't depict the USA as the bad guy in a movie while French are very good at that" (I bet our dear Russian readers should understand the feeling ;) ).
But I was weak and went for it, and it is quite good ... and the French archenemy is in no way just an evil bad guy. :D

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I don't think any better movie was ever made on the Napoleonic wars. Cavalry charges are like no others. The movie is a Russian-Italian production, xith mostly American & British actors. It was filmed in Russia, with thousands of (then Soviet) Russian army troopers and cavalrymen dressed in French & British Napoleonic uniforms. It must be the sole movie where, when they depict a cavalry charge by thousands of men, you ACTUALLY have that much men really charging.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=17YqczWI2R8#t=63s

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Re: War movies.

Postby Xeno426 » Thu 24 May 2012 14:36

[EUG]MadMat wrote:I don't think any better movie was ever made on the Napoleonic wars. Cavalry charges are like no others. The movie is a Russian-Italian production, xith mostly American & British actors. It was filmed in Russia, with thousands of (then Soviet) Russian army troopers and cavalrymen dressed in French & British Napoleonic uniforms. It must be the sole movie where, when they depict a cavalry charge by thousands of men, you ACTUALLY have that much men really charging.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=17YqczWI2R8#t=63s

I think the Soviet production of War and Peace in the 60's managed to rake up that many extras for its battle scenes.
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