The British Army (Circa 1995)

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Re: The British Army (Circa 1995)

Postby DoktorvonWer » Sun 28 Sep 2014 14:45

elmoking wrote:The advantage of putting it on a Merlin, except that it may then be mounted on T23 and T45, is that Merlin has high endurance (for a helicopter) and is good at loitering. Unfortunately, this is not really a good approach, not because its the same radar as the F-35, but because the Merlin's ceiling is a mere 5,000 metres, which is awful for horizon length.


Well yes indeed. Plus the Type 45 has in excess of 400km air detection on its own radar system anyway, though I suppose the Type 23 can benefit.
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Postby elmoking » Sun 28 Sep 2014 14:50

Yes, but it would still be helpful - the Type 45 radar is what, twenty? thirty metres above sea level? It's like 30km range against a sea skimming target. 5,000 metres is still better than 20.
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Postby GBNATO » Sun 28 Sep 2014 15:08

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Postby Yellow07 » Sun 28 Sep 2014 16:13

All stems from the rather nasty hammering the RN got in '82.

More for Early warning, control and ISTAR - not really a equivalent to the E-2/3 mix of the US way of operating.
Still, better than nothing, as elmoking said; the RN would rather have a clear warning of any Air/Missile attack.

Whether we'll have enough cabs for such system, nor enough surface ships for a proper Carrier screen (the QEC themselves have no hard kill measure other than CIWS and manually aimed cannons) is up for debate.

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Re: The British Army (Circa 1995)

Postby Znail » Sun 28 Sep 2014 16:39

DoktorvonWer wrote:Well, the Type 45's radar has exceptional radar capability to ranges in excess of 400km, so it doesn't need an 150km helicopter AES generally speaking, unless they intend to be flying helicopters 250km from their mothership as routine?

The curve of the earth limits the range of ship based radars detection of ships and other low altitude targets. That is why it is pretty standard for ships to have recon helicopters as well.

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Re: The British Army (Circa 1995)

Postby Xeno426 » Sun 28 Sep 2014 18:57

DoktorvonWer wrote:Well, the Type 45's radar has exceptional radar capability to ranges in excess of 400km, so it doesn't need an 150km helicopter AES generally speaking, unless they intend to be flying helicopters 250km from their mothership as routine?

Helicopters add the ability to see over the horizon.
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Re: The British Army (Circa 1995)

Postby DoktorvonWer » Sun 28 Sep 2014 19:00

Xeno426 wrote:
DoktorvonWer wrote:Well, the Type 45's radar has exceptional radar capability to ranges in excess of 400km, so it doesn't need an 150km helicopter AES generally speaking, unless they intend to be flying helicopters 250km from their mothership as routine?

Helicopters add the ability to see over the horizon.


A very fair point. This does keep bringing me back to their purpose on a carrier carrying F-35s using the same radar at higher altitude, though...
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Re: The British Army (Circa 1995)

Postby Majorpain » Sun 28 Sep 2014 19:22

DoktorvonWer wrote:
Xeno426 wrote:
DoktorvonWer wrote:Well, the Type 45's radar has exceptional radar capability to ranges in excess of 400km, so it doesn't need an 150km helicopter AES generally speaking, unless they intend to be flying helicopters 250km from their mothership as routine?

Helicopters add the ability to see over the horizon.


A very fair point. This does keep bringing me back to their purpose on a carrier carrying F-35s using the same radar at higher altitude, though...


All AEW aircraft have crew in the back to vector planes to targets etc, the pilot of the F35 will have enough on his hands without adding controlling other planes into the mix! It could be done, but there are not many areas that an E3 sentry couldnt do the job better and for longer.

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Re: The British Army (Circa 1995)

Postby 1Eddie2 » Sun 28 Sep 2014 19:27

Plus why use a high cost airframe with low numbers available to do such a demanding task? It'll just result in the airframes getting shagged out far more quickly. Look at the Tornado force, down to two squadrons next year and an OSD of 2019 due to the stresses placed on the fleet over 20 - 30 years.

Let cheaper helicopters with crews that are already trained do the job.

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Re: The British Army (Circa 1995)

Postby Drang » Sun 28 Sep 2014 23:53

How about we just buy a decent AEW aircraft and a decent fighter and put some catapults, and pay for it by scrapping the jobcentre.
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