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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby DEN » Mon 7 Oct 2013 15:52

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T-72AV (object 176V, 1985) - a variant of the T-72A with a hinged ERA "Contact".

T -72B (object 184 , 1985 ) - the upgraded version of the T- 72A with a set of guided weapons 9K120 " Svir " ERA "Contact" V-84 engine and FCS 1A40 , 2A46 cannon replaced by a gun - launcher 2A46M .

T -72B (1989 ; also common and informal misnomer T- 72BM ) - a modernized version of the T -72B with explosive reactive armor "Contact -V», similar installed on the T -80U .

T- 72B1 (object 184-1 , 1985 ) - a variant of the T -72B without the installation of some elements of the complex guided weapons . From the T -72B used different night sight TPN- 3 -49 "Crystal - PA " instead of 1K13 .
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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby Azaz3l » Mon 7 Oct 2013 17:29

Mr0Buggy wrote:Supposedly T-72BV is mislabeled T-72BA ERA [or vice versa]. Main difference being Kontakt-1 methinks.

There is no official designation such as T-72BV or T-72BM. There is only T-72B obr.1985 (with Kontakt-1 ERA) and T-72B obr. 1989 (with Kontakt-5 ERA). T-72BA is a name given to a T-72A modernised to T-72B level.
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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby Thonar » Mon 7 Oct 2013 17:36

I want to see conventional SCUD's!

1x-Rocket with 1000kg (ok 900) payload, one shot and a large Reloading time, while having a relative close hit circle...

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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby orcbuster » Mon 7 Oct 2013 17:45

Thonar wrote:I want to see conventional SCUD's!

1x-Rocket with 1000kg (ok 900) payload, one shot and a large Reloading time, while having a relative close hit circle...

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by relative close hit circle you mean 2-3 km radius or so... Tactical missiles with conventional warheads are not designed to hit mobile troops. They are outside of the games scope. You'd either need Tactical nuke warheads or chemicals and we'll never see those in wargame. It's strictly about conventional weapons outside the campaign map.
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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby Thonar » Mon 7 Oct 2013 18:01

orcbuster wrote:by relative close hit circle you mean 2-3 km radius or so... Tactical missiles with conventional warheads are not designed to hit mobile troops. They are outside of the games scope. You'd either need Tactical nuke warheads or chemicals and we'll never see those in wargame. It's strictly about conventional weapons outside the campaign map.


The most used SCUD (SS1-B or R-17 Aerofan) has a hit circle of 450m. Thats normally enough for a payload of 985kg to be used even in mobile Warfare.

Ohh... and with your argument the MLRS or the F117 shouldn't be in the game either... or do you think the SCUD wouldn't be used in such a conflict?

But you are right, the SCUD should have a long target and reload time... but thats fair for a shoot-able 1000 kg bomb, which can't be stopped (like the planes).

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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby Swingfire » Mon 7 Oct 2013 18:26

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Obyekt 640/T-80UM2 for late Soviet prototype to keep up with Challenger II and M1A2?

Would be more fitting than the T-90 since iirc the T-90 is a purely Russian project that was more or less a T-72-based half-baked replacement for the cancelled Soviet Obyekt 640 and Obyekt 477.
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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby Guggy » Mon 7 Oct 2013 18:35

DEN wrote:UPD


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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby Azaz3l » Mon 7 Oct 2013 19:03

Swingfire wrote:Obyekt 640/T-80UM2 for late Soviet prototype to keep up with Challenger II and M1A2?

Would be more fitting than the T-90 since iirc the T-90 is a purely Russian project that was more or less a T-72-based half-baked replacement for the cancelled Soviet Obyekt 640 and Obyekt 477.

T-80UM2 if anything, would be superior in protection compared to those 2. T-90 prototype was actually ready by the 1989 in the form of T-72BU. Object 640 on the other hand is purely Russian project designed for export (mainly for South-Koreans who bought T-80Us). Nobody was interested in it apparently so it wasn't mass produced.
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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby DEN » Mon 7 Oct 2013 19:19

Swingfire wrote:Image

Obyekt 640/T-80UM2 for late Soviet prototype to keep up with Challenger II and M1A2?

Would be more fitting than the T-90 since iirc the T-90 is a purely Russian project that was more or less a T-72-based half-baked replacement for the cancelled Soviet Obyekt 640 and Obyekt 477.


640/T-80UM2 object - this is an experimental tank that has already been developed in RUSSIA. It would be logical to provide a counterweight to the M1A2 and Challenger II, T-80UM which had a better hotel tower, a new anti-tank systems 9K119M with increased armor penetration, and completed with a thermal generation 2 "Agave-2." And the T-90 is basically a T-72 with the control of weapons and explosive reactive armor "Kontakt-5" from the T-80U
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Re: Soviet / Russian army in Red Dragon

Postby 47andrej » Mon 7 Oct 2013 20:26

T-72B series with Kontakt-5 and T-72BU(aka T-90) are really nice and good new tanks.
But a true successor of soviet high-end tanks for me is the evolution of T-80 series: T-80UM1 "Snow Leopard" and/or T-80UM2 "Black Eagle".
The last one looks hot as hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbocwdpJI_g

Completely russian design will be a coming Armata tank plattform. Its not based on T-72 nor T-80.

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