Polish Army In Wargame:Red Dragon

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Polish Army In Wargame:Red Dragon

Postby Kamil » Thu 28 Nov 2013 21:37

Below list was made by polish community of Wargame.
There is list just for dlc units and full list with ALB units.

If you need some translation we can provide you good quality translations from polish.


W:AB unit
W:RD not prototype
W:RD prototype

Logistic:
- Mi-6 [8]
- Star 660
- Honker CV
- BWR-1K (BRM-1K) [13]
- T-72M2D WILK or WILK-D (1990) Check out tank section.

Infrantry:
- PZR Igła-1 explanation from Mr0Buggy here
- PZR Grom [11] explanation from Mr0Buggy here
- PZR Strela-3

- Rezerwiści Polish reserve
- Wojska obrony terytorialnej
- FORMOZA [9]

Support:
- 2K22 Tunguska [3][4]
- MTLB Strzała-10m [6][7]
- 2K11 Krug [14]
- Sopel [3]
- Newa SC
[10]
- RM-70/85 [20]
- Cluster munnition for arty/mlrs [5]
- Napalm munnition for mlrs
- 9K37M1E Buk (export version of 9K37) [1][2]


Tanks: Big thanks to Mr0Buggy for his efforts about below tanks! Better explanation here
- T-72M2 WILK (1990)
- PT-91 TWARDY (1992)
- PT-91A TWARDY (1995)
- T-72S


Recon:
- FUG [15]
- BWR-1D (BRM-1)
- BWR-1S (BPzV) [16]
- BRDM-2 Żbik

Vehicle:
- unarmed Skot [17][22]
- MT-LB with 7.62mm
- MT-LB 2AP [21]
- Skot-2AP [22]
- Honker
- BWP-95 [23]
- BWP-1 without ATGM [24][25][26][27]

Helicopter:
- W-3T [18]
- W-3U Salamandra [19]
- Mi-24 AA helicopter with R-60
- Mi-17 [28]

Planes:

- MiG-23BN (remove, as Poland never operated BN variant)
- Su-7B (remove, as Poland never operated B variant)


- MiG-21MF (Gsh-23, 4 x S-24)
- MiG-23MF (Gsh-23, 2/4 x R60, 2 x R-23R/R-23T)
- MiG-29 9.12A (Gsh-301, 4 x R-60M/R-73, 2 x R-27R)
- Su-22M3 rename to Su-22M4
- Su-22M4 series 30 (2 x NR-30, 2 x Kh-29T, 2 x R-60/R-13M) [12]
- TS-11 bis B (NS-23, 32 x S-5)
- I-22 (Gsh-23, 2 x ZB-500, 2 x R-60)

Navy:
Further explanasion in those posts: No. 1 No. 2
- Kotlin-class
- Mod Kashin-class
- Skoryy-class
- Project 620 class
- Osa-class
- Tarantul-class
- K-8 class
- P-6 class
- Project 664

Sources:
[1]http://i.imgur.com/ug2IKD8.png
[2]http://www.samolotypolskie.pl/samoloty/2453/126/9K37-Buk
[3]http://i.imgur.com/5Qzx9NB.png
[4]http://i.imgur.com/N0kZtPv.png
[5]http://www.the-monitor.org/custom/index.php/region_profiles/print_theme/2134
[6]http://imageshack.com/a/img12/3273/eprf.png
[7]http://imageshack.com/a/img585/2355/tbp4.jpg
[8]http://stara.gorpol.pl/lotnictwo/mi6/mi6.html
[9]http://www.formoza.wp.mil.pl/pl/3.html
[10]http://infowsparcie.net/wria/o_autorze/pzr_s125m.html
[11]http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114873,6911324,Polska_bron_w_sluzbie_gruzinskiej_armii.html
[12]http://edefense.blogspot.com/2005/12/25-years-of-service-of-russian-kh-29.html
[13]http://www.vadmil.pl/articles.php?article_id=708
[14]http://modelwork.pl/viewtopic.php?p=468071
[15]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/FUG.JPG
[16]http://www.militarium.net/viewart.php?aid=309
[17]http://www.specops.pl/vortal/SKOT/SKOT.htm
[18]http://www.helicopter-database.de/w3_search.php?PageNum=2
[19]http://www.wargame-ee.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1262
[20]http://i.imgur.com/Tr5HOvO.png
[21]http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum26/z_mtlb_2aptechnik_museum_kummersdorf_niemcy.jpg
[22]http://wojskoitechnika.cba.pl/aaa/skot/skot.html
[23]http://www.jedsite.info/fulltrack-bravo/bravo-bmp/bmp1_series/bwp95/bwp95.html
[24]http://www.gdynia.mm.pl/~jack_410/LWP/addony/bwp.jpg
[25]http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8915/6pdpd.jpg
[26]http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/Pologne/vehicules_legers/BWP-1/BMP-1_Pologne_02.jpg
[27]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmtIoWmT_9DzQ9kNtC7NurTHSl6yaCJBIuFi1FBGxX0_DlUuor
[28]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:R7dOmfEukHcJ:gdziewojsko.wordpress.com/listy/mi-8/+&cd=3&hl=pl&ct=clnk&gl=pl&client=firefox-a

Spoiler : :
W:AB unit
W:RD not prototype
W:RD prototype

Logistic:
- WD-43
- SKOT R-3
- TOPAS R-2M
- T-55AD-1
- T-72M1D
- STAR 266 ZAOP.
- MI-2D Przetacznik
- MI-8 ZAOP.
- FOB

- Mi-6
- Star 660
- Honker CV
- BWR-1K (BRM-1K)
- T-72M2D WILK or WILK-D (1990)

Infrantry:
- Spadochroniarze
- Saperzy Szturmowi
- Komandosi
- Strzelcy Podhalańscy
- PPK Fagot
- Saperzy
- PPZR Strzała-2
- Piechota Zmech.

- PZR Igła-1
- PZR Grom
- PZR Strela-3

- Rezerwiści
- Wojska obrony terytorialnej
- FORMOZA

Support:
- RZP 2K12 KUB-M
- 2S1 Goździk
- wz.77 Dana
- 2S7 Piwonia
- BRDM-2 Strzała-1M
- 9K33 Romb
- 9K33M3 Romb
- BM-24M
- BM-21 Grad
- Hibneryt ZU-23-2
- Hibneryt ZU-23-2S
- ZSU-57-2
- ZSU-23-4V1

- 2K22 Tunguska [3][4]
- MTLB Strzała-10m [6][7]
- 2K11 Krug
- Sopel [3]
- Newa SC

- RM-70/85
- Cluster munnition for arty/mlrs [5]
- 9K37M1E Buk (export version of 9K37) [1][2]


Tanks:
- PT-76B Desant
- T-34/85M1
- T-55
- T-55L
- T-55AM Merida
- T-55AM2 Merida
- T-72
- T-72M Jaguar
- T-72 Wilk

- T-72M2 WILK (1990)
- PT-91 TWARDY (1992)
- PT-91A TWARDY (1995)



Recon:
- UAZ-469A Zwiad.
- BRDM-1
- BRDM-2
- BTR-40
- BTR-40A
- Zwiadowcy
- PT-76B DshK
- Mi-2Ro

- FUG
- BWR-1D (BRM-1)
- BWR-1S (BPzV)
- BRDM-2 Żbik

Vehicle:
- ASU-85M
- BRDM-2 Malutka-P
- BRDM-2 Konkurs
- BWP-1
- BWP-2
- BWP-2D
- Topas
- Topas-2A
- Topas-2AP
- MT-LB 23M Krak
- Promet
- Skot-2
- Skot-2A
- Skot-2AM
- Star 266
- TO-55

- unarmed Skot
- MT-LB with 7.62mm
- MT-LB 2AP
- Skot-2AP
- Honker
- BWP-95
- BWP-1 without ATGM

Helicopter:
- Mi-2T
- Mi-8T
- Mi-24D
- Mi-2 US
- Mi-2 URN Żmija
- Mi-2 URP Salamandra
- Mi-2 URP-G Gniewosz
- Mi-2 URS
- W-3W Sokół
- Mi-24W

- W-3T
- W-3U Salamandra
- Mi-24 AA helicopter with R-60
- Mi-17

Planes:
- Lim-6bis
- MiG-19P
- MiG-21bis
- MiG-23BN (remove, as Poland never operated BN variant)
- Su-7B (remove, as Poland never operated B variant)
- Su-7BM
- Su-7BKL
- Su-20
- Su-22M4
- Su-22M4P

- MiG-21MF
- MiG-23MF
- MiG-29 9.12A
- Su-22M4 series 30
- TS-11 bis B
- I-22
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Re: Polish Army In Wargame:Red Dragon

Postby Kamil » Thu 28 Nov 2013 21:37

Below some picture of units.
Spoiler : Mi-6 :
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Spoiler : Star 660 :
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Spoiler : Honker :
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Spoiler : BWR-1K (BRM-1K) :
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Spoiler : MT-LB Strzała-10M :
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Spoiler : 2K11 Krug :
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Spoiler : Sopel :
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Spoiler : RM-70/85 :
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Spoiler : FUG :
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Spoiler : Unarmed SKOT :
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Spoiler : Unarmed SKOT Roundlet :
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Spoiler : MT-LB-2AP :
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Spoiler : SKOT-2AP :
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Spoiler : SKOT-2AP :
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Spoiler : BWP-95 :
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Spoiler : W-3U Salamandra :
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Spoiler : W-3T :
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Re: Polish Army In Wargame:Red Dragon

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Thu 28 Nov 2013 21:42

I have linked that thread to my list ...

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Postby Kamil » Thu 28 Nov 2013 21:44

[EUG]MadMat wrote:I have linked that thread to my list ...

That list was main reason why our incomplete list goes to non polish part of forum :roll:

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Re: Polish Army In Wargame:Red Dragon

Postby Grabbed_by_the_Spets » Fri 29 Nov 2013 07:16

Don't you think that having both the Grom and the Igla to a be a touch overkill?

Especially since Grom was designed to be it's indigenous counterpart...
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Postby Mr0Buggy » Fri 29 Nov 2013 07:52

Well for one, this list is a bit far from working order. It was posted as is cause MadMat made the "old minors" listings sticky, and we were a bit afraid some Polish newbie would made a thread without knowing KTO Rosomak from SKOT or KTO Ryś, ask for T-80's and stuff and compromise our standing on the forums. So we made one having what we had.

Two, reason for including the two is for consistency's sake:

- MESKO Metal Works, which so far has been manufacturing Strela-2's on license were already preparing their assembly lines in anticipation that a license for Igla would be acquired. However then Communism went out of style, and hence the license was denied by the crumbling Soviets and we were left without anything resembling a modern MANPAD/Ground Based IR missiles save for some Iglas we bought earlier. Should the deal come to pass, we most likely would be able to get Iglas rolling off the assembly lines before end of 1991, and hence it would make it into RD as a non proto for us.

- GROM is IRL 1995 prototype, hence we had to include it on the list, if only for consistency's sake. However, considering that by "most sources"[1], the designing of GROM was helped along by Polish Intelligence being able to exchange a suitcase full of cash for Igla blueprints from LOMO works in Leningrad (modern St. Petersburg) following the turmoil of Soviet Union collapsing, it could be argued that to an extent GROM is an Igla upgrade. Or at least it is it's prettier Twin Sister.

[1]http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,114873,6911324,Polska_bron_w_sluzbie_gruzinskiej_armii.html Polish

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Re: Polish Army In Wargame:Red Dragon

Postby Xeno426 » Fri 29 Nov 2013 16:41

Kamil wrote:- MiG-23BN (remove, as Poland never operated BN variant)
- Su-7B (remove, as Poland never operated B variant)[/color]

Shouldn't the Su-22M3 be here as well?

Kamil wrote:- MiG-23MF (Gsh-23, 2/4 x R60, 2 x R-23R/R-23T)

To differentiate it from the Mig-23MF of the DDR arsenal, the 4xR-60's could instead be replaced by a pair of R-13M's.

Kamil wrote:- Su-22M4 series 30 (2 x NR-30, 2 x Kh-29T, 2 x R-60/R-13M)

The Su-22M4 has no EO sensors, so I'm rather sure the Kh-29T was not a possible ordinance.

Kamil wrote:- TS-11 bis B (NS-23, 32 x S-5)

Given the usefulness of the L-29 family, I don't think this would prove terribly useful.

Kamil wrote:- RZP 2K12 KUB-M

What about later KUB variants, like the M2 or M3? Weren't they operated?

Kamil wrote:- 2K11 Krug

But what would this bring to the table that the KUB and BUK don't already?

Kamil wrote:- FUG

This sounds kinda funny. What is it?

Newa SC would certainly be unique, but I already asked about it and was turned down. :(

Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:Don't you think that having both the Grom and the Igla to a be a touch overkill?

9K310 Igla-1, AKA SA-16. It came about because the new missile body for the 9K38 was ready, but the seeker head would not be ready for a few more years. As a stop-gap measure, the Strela-3 seeker was mated to the new missile body to produce the 9K310 Igla-1. This is also the Igla version used in the STROP-2.
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Re: Polish Army In Wargame:Red Dragon

Postby REDDQ » Fri 29 Nov 2013 16:58

Xeno426 wrote:The Su-22M4 has no EO sensors, so I'm rather sure the Kh-29T was not a possible ordinance.

Ain't that Kh-29T?
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Xeno426 wrote:But what would this bring to the table that the KUB and BUK don't already?

Probably the only 10HE warhead in game <3

Xeno426 wrote:Newa SC would certainly be unique, but I already asked about it and was turned down. :(

Damn straight. Stats of BUK-M1 (maybe a bit more ACC) with range of regular BUK. And two fantastic option to choose:

1. Slow as hell but quite nicely armoured.

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2. Less armoured (but still) with speed.

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Maybe MM will reconsider :(

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Re: Polish Army In Wargame:Red Dragon

Postby Mr0Buggy » Fri 29 Nov 2013 17:07

Spoiler : :
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NEWA married to WZT-2 recovery vehicle on the bottom Photo. It was also married to WZT-1 which is in the timeframe, but it's impossible to find a photo of it atm. (WZT-1 is T-54 chassis, WZT-2 is T-55 chassis).

For the Kub's, Poland operated up to M2 variant, and I've found a note that we had a chance to get M4, but nothing more - I assume it could have referred to post 1989 shopping spree, but the tone of the sentence wasn't certain.
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Re: Polish Army In Wargame:Red Dragon

Postby Vasto » Fri 29 Nov 2013 17:07

Xeno426 wrote:
Kamil wrote:- MiG-23BN (remove, as Poland never operated BN variant)
- Su-7B (remove, as Poland never operated B variant)[/color]

Shouldn't the Su-22M3 be here as well?


This point was present earlier, but looks like it dissapeared accidentaly :?

Xeno426 wrote:
Kamil wrote:- Su-22M4 series 30 (2 x NR-30, 2 x Kh-29T, 2 x R-60/R-13M)

The Su-22M4 has no EO sensors, so I'm rather sure the Kh-29T was not a possible ordinance.


The late Su-22M4 series were able to use the Kh-29T.

Here is a blog entry of former Polish Su-22 pilot, where he says, that he had opportunity to fire the Kh-29T (very bottom part of the blog entry):

http://edefense.blogspot.com/2005/12/25-years-of-service-of-russian-kh-29.html
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