Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby Majorpain » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:23

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Majorpain wrote:Rafale may well be a good fighter, but the costs have inflated a fair amount...

During the Congress party’s rule the Indian government did not blink at the prospective bill for the Rafale, which more than doubled from $10 billion in 2009 to some $22 billion today, and which figure realistically will exceed $30 billion, or $238 million per aircraft, at a minimum.


From http://www.newindianexpress.com/columns/Why-Rafale-is-a-Big-Mistake/2014/07/25/article2346825.ece

The biggest benefit for India is all that nice shiny new technology to update its aerospace industry, it certaintly doesn't look like good value for money.

What other aircraft would be a serious concurrent for the Rafale then ? Do you have any clear data on their price and on their deal's conditions (transfer of technology, etc..) ?


Well, thats what i said. France is desperate for an export customer to keep production costs down so is unlikely to be too stringent about what technology is included as part of the deal.

Su34 looks like an absolute bargain at $34m, hope the comrades haven't been skimping on the avionics??!!

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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby Corsair » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:25

Majorpain wrote:Su34 looks like an absolute bargain at $34m, hope the comrades haven't been skimping on the avionics??!!

As ikalugin said earlier, they usually do not propose Russian-made avionics for export customers. For instance, the Su-30MKI uses SIGMA 95N inertial navigation system and some Thales HMD, as well as some Israeli stuff. Same for Su-30MKA, and others.

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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby another505 » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:28

Vulcan 607 wrote:http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/01/fulcrum-drivers-video/
On the websites video it has a Polish mig 29 vs Luftwaffe ef2000 dogfight pretty good stuff

very good... makes me want to play DCS right now
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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby ikalugin » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:32

You could carry only 9500 kgs in external payload on Rafale (and this includes fuel I believe), meaning that you could only carry 1500 kgs of external fuel with 8000kg weapons load.

However even if we disregard that limitation and go for maximum fuel load with 8000kg weapons load we get 6400kg fuel load, with 1700kgs carried externally and 4700kgs internally.
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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby Corsair » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:38

ikalugin wrote:You could carry only 9500 kgs in external payload on Rafale (and this includes fuel I believe), meaning that you could only carry 1500 kgs of external fuel with 8000kg weapons load.

However even if we disregard that limitation and go for maximum fuel load with 8000kg weapons load we get 6400kg fuel load, with 1700kgs carried externally.

Rafale can also carry 4t of payload with two RPL701 instead of three. That makes 3 SCALP-EG per example.

What are Su-34's low level performances ?
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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby Thonar » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:39

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Vulcan 607 wrote:http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/01/fulcrum-drivers-video/
On the websites video it has a Polish mig 29 vs Luftwaffe ef2000 dogfight pretty good stuff

very good... makes me want to play DCS right now


They are maybe even using the former German Mig 29 :twisted:

Does anybody know if NATO Mig-29s are still used as Bandits as often as the German ones in the 90s?
If yes, these Polish pilots could some of the most experienced in the whole NATO...

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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby ikalugin » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:39

So you propose to compare the two aircraft with 4000 kg weapons loads?

By the way the numbers I get for Rafale come from the official manufacturer website, where I subtract the empty weight, weapons load and 100 kgs for misc stuff from max take of weight.
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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby Vulcan 607 » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:40

What atgm can Rafale carry I know they were thinking about brimstone but I have not heard any more on it same goes for a USAF and usn. Typhoon is getting it before tornado retirement. (I think the old tornado will soldier on until the f35 comes good say till 2050)

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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby Corsair » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:44

The practical payload of the Su-34 is greater than the Rafale's by a little more only.
I see it can practically carry only 3 Kh-59M or 3 KAB-1500, which corresponds to the Rafale's capabilities, while carrying an equal amount of offensive or defensive air-to-air weaponry.
It can however carry much more dumb bombs and rockets, yes, I agree.

Vulcan 607 wrote:What atgm can Rafale carry I know they were thinking about brimstone but I have not heard any more on it same goes for a USAF and usn. Typhoon is getting it before tornado retirement. (I think the old tornado will soldier on until the f35 comes good say till 2050)

The AASM.

And the Tornado, until 2050.. umm.. :geek:

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Re: Dassault Rafale VS Eurofighter Typhoon

Postby OpusTheFowl » Mon 20 Oct 2014 18:48

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