DDR in Red Dragon

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Re: DDR in Red Dragon

Postby Mikeboy » Wed 4 Jun 2014 16:15

Flieger wrote:Someone?


Ah, well in that case I'm looking forward to it. ;)

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Re: DDR in Red Dragon

Postby icehawk308 » Wed 4 Jun 2014 16:16

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To clarify, the USSR and US are getting some rerolls, but the DDR and the other NSWP are getting entirely new units adding to the current units. So the new DDR helo will replace nothing, it will be just added.


When. Where. What? (except USSR Mi-24 AA) :| :?:

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Re: DDR in Red Dragon

Postby thenosh » Wed 4 Jun 2014 16:35

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icehawk308 wrote:What about the FED unit mentioned on the first page? Its supposed to be an urban warfare specialist. A rifle team with StG, MG & Flamethrower could be quite unique


Well, as I said, while there were flamethrowers the DDR military was not terribly fond of them. This includes the FED. I think they had a few for special missions carried out by the Kommandoaufklärer, but they were not for regular use. But do not worry, the DDR will get something to deal with infantry.

Until more units are revealed, I'll leave this one here:

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Where on earth did you find this document?
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Re: DDR in Red Dragon

Postby Mike » Wed 4 Jun 2014 16:36

icehawk308 wrote:
Flieger wrote:
To clarify, the USSR and US are getting some rerolls, but the DDR and the other NSWP are getting entirely new units adding to the current units. So the new DDR helo will replace nothing, it will be just added.


When. Where. What? (except USSR Mi-24 AA) :| :?:

I'd guess Delta, Rangers, and maybe SEALS
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Re: DDR in Red Dragon

Postby Flieger » Thu 5 Jun 2014 14:57

icehawk308 wrote:
Flieger wrote:
To clarify, the USSR and US are getting some rerolls, but the DDR and the other NSWP are getting entirely new units adding to the current units. So the new DDR helo will replace nothing, it will be just added.


When. Where. What? (except USSR Mi-24 AA) :| :?:


US recon e.g.


thenosh wrote:Where on earth did you find this document?


I did not. It was posted by an ex-NVA soldier on a German forum (either the NVA-Forum or the Flugzeug-Forum, not sure which...). I think it is interesting that the documents names the Mi-28, and not the Ka-50 which was the chosen one by the Soviet forces. Also look at the date, August 1988 - the Mi-28 was not officially revealed to the public at that time.

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Postby Xeno426 » Thu 5 Jun 2014 15:26

Flieger wrote:I think it is interesting that the documents names the Mi-28, and not the Ka-50 which was the chosen one by the Soviet forces. Also look at the date, August 1988 - the Mi-28 was not officially revealed to the public at that time.

Not surprising. After the Ka-50 won the competition in 1987, work continued on the Mi-28 as it was seen as a candidate for export.
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Re: DDR in Red Dragon

Postby T-80U » Thu 5 Jun 2014 15:59

Xeno426 wrote:
Flieger wrote:I think it is interesting that the documents names the Mi-28, and not the Ka-50 which was the chosen one by the Soviet forces. Also look at the date, August 1988 - the Mi-28 was not officially revealed to the public at that time.

Not surprising. After the Ka-50 won the competition in 1987, work continued on the Mi-28 as it was seen as a candidate for export.

Ka-50 in DDR colours would look much more fantastic, as it is a ultra-high-tech even for SU. But sadly looks like even Mi-28 is too good to be hoped for...

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Re: DDR in Red Dragon

Postby icehawk308 » Thu 5 Jun 2014 17:10

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Xeno426 wrote:
Flieger wrote:I think it is interesting that the documents names the Mi-28, and not the Ka-50 which was the chosen one by the Soviet forces. Also look at the date, August 1988 - the Mi-28 was not officially revealed to the public at that time.

Not surprising. After the Ka-50 won the competition in 1987, work continued on the Mi-28 as it was seen as a candidate for export.

Ka-50 in DDR colours would look much more fantastic, as it is a ultra-high-tech even for SU. But sadly looks like even Mi-28 is too good to be hoped for...



Yeah Sadly DDR gets a 16 ATGM carrying helicopter, when their current best carries 4. :roll: Looks like quite likely in my opinion. It was planned for export, DDR wanted it, Pol had its heli development full of Sokol variants so bada bing bada boom, makes sense :mrgreen:

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Re: DDR in Red Dragon

Postby Flieger » Thu 5 Jun 2014 22:37

It does make sense indeed, which is why the Mi-28 is realistic option. But it is one option among others.

Xeno426 wrote:Not surprising. After the Ka-50 won the competition in 1987, work continued on the Mi-28 as it was seen as a candidate for export.


Yes, in fact all of the underlined aircraft are export only: Su-25K, Mi-28, Ka-28. But why did the NVA want the Mi-28, when big brother had already chosen the Ka-50? Usually the NVA chose the same military gear as the Soviets did, albeit a generation later, in order to have a comparable supply situation. It is one thing to buy an export version of a Soviet service aircraft, and another to buy a totally different.
So did the NVA not know about the Ka-50 or the Soviet decision? Or was it deemed too expensive? Or did the Soviets wanted the Germans to buy the Mi-28 for economical reasons and pushed them in this direction?

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Re: DDR in Red Dragon

Postby another505 » Thu 5 Jun 2014 22:42

I think DDR getting MI-28 is a high chance actually

especially for NSWP getting a high end attack helicopter, since i dont think czech/poland has better chance than ddr

however, i hope the mi28 for DDR gets a different loadout or ussr get a different loadout (fae rockets!)
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