How to counter SU-27S

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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby WardenOfTheNorth » Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:18

I found in a game once that two Tornado F3s are more than sufficient to DENY the enemy Su-27S. Flew both of them regularly over my AA, when the Su-27 chanced a sortie in it didn't escape. ;)

Call me old fashioned, but I don't rate the Eurofighter, compared to the Tornado it seems weak whenever I've used it, always shot down ironically by Su-27s... :|
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby admiral9 » Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:22

WardenOfTheNorth wrote:I found in a game once that two Tornado F3s are more than sufficient to DENY the enemy Su-27S. Flew both of them regularly over my AA, when the Su-27 chanced a sortie in it didn't escape. ;)

Call me old fashioned, but I don't rate the Eurofighter, compared to the Tornado it seems weak whenever I've used it, always shot down ironically by Su-27s... :|


Diffirence in use, the tornado F3 has longer range allowing a double of them to more effectively counter singular fighters then the typhoon in a circling fight.
But when numbers increase or if its a head on fight then the typhoon will outperform the F3.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby T80U = tankbankai » Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:24

admiral9 wrote:
T80U = tankbankai wrote:The F 15C Eagle, Eurofighter and Rafael are your best options. however the SU 27PU is unstoppable, that is the BEST ASF in the game, nothing can compare to it.

I know you wanted planes but ECM doesn't effect SPAAG's, i find them useful for dealing a little damage while panicking the plane.


A: the rafale is both better and cheaper then the su27PU.

B: the typhoon almost equalls it.

C: ECM effects everything including SPAAGS its a flat modifier.

PS: M8 what are you smoking?


1: Rafael is better then the SU 27PU my apologies about that but I don't play eurocorps let alone France alot so am Wrong here.

2: We can agree here.

3: I fail to see how ECM effects flying bullets, When ever a high ecm plane flies over my guntanks or gepards they always chip away 3-4 blocks of health and panic it.

I don't even smoke cigarettes.

And @Odinspear: why such the hostile reaction?

edit: fix some spelling mistakes.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby WardenOfTheNorth » Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:28

But when numbers increase or if its a head on fight then the typhoon will outperform the F3.


I did have two Typhoons fly head on into one Su-27, I lost one Typhoon, perhaps it was my fault, I do prefer the Tornado thanks to the experience scale, however the Typhoon does level on ECM and the AMRAAM isn't as good, but the better Sidewinders make up for that.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby admiral9 » Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:30

3: I fail to see how ECM effects flying bullets, When ever a high ecm plane flies over my guntanks or gepards they always chip away 3-4 blocks of health and panic it.


I am pretty sure that ECM as I previously said just puts a modifier at anything that targets the plane, if anyone with more modding experience could confirm this that would be appreciated.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby WardenOfTheNorth » Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:46

As far as I'm aware ECM encompasses both flares and electronic jamming systems.

For example, I've seen aircraft with 10% ECM popping flares when attacked by missile systems and still survive the sortie, but the higher the ECM the higher survivability rate at which the aircraft can evade the missile itself, but I suppose you've got to take into account the type of AA the aircraft is facing, for example a Tor missile may have more chance of hitting than an Igla...

One of knowing this might be to see the different hit probabilities when various SAMs target aircraft, maybe that gives some sort of clue.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby Mumbles » Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:50

ECM is a flat percentage modifier used against all attack rolls. It functions exactly the same way size does for vehicles. It's an abstraction of speed, maneuverability, jamming pods, flare count, camouflage, radar signature, and so on. AAA only seems to hit more often because they throw such an obscene amount of lead in to the sky - a few rounds are practically guaranteed to get through, which typically stuns the jet, which means a longer window for more impacts which typically destroys the target.

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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby WardenOfTheNorth » Mon 21 Apr 2014 12:54

That's an explanation for why the Rafale has such a good ECM modifier.

I don't tend to take big amounts of aircraft with me, especially the big ones, for example the F-111C or the IL-102, it's the ECM that for some reason puts me off, but don't get me wrong if they manage to hit something it's well worth the 200pts they cost.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby loosebruce » Mon 21 Apr 2014 13:09

HATO dogs complain of comrade's glorious design of SU27PU.

HATO cannot compete with stronk men of russian pilots and wodka fuel in afterburner.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby WardenOfTheNorth » Mon 21 Apr 2014 13:48

There's probably more Vodka in those pilots than the jet itself. ;)
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