How to counter SU-27S

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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby another505 » Mon 21 Apr 2014 13:52

Seriously??
you are the first one to call the su27s a problem
its mraam is sa, the chances are to hit your, lets say f15c is much lower than you firing your fandf mraam
yes, it has better range, but firing one at time means low chance of hitting anything
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby leroy11 » Mon 21 Apr 2014 14:16

e22big wrote:As a NATO player I found SU-27 armed with R-27 Alamo to be very threatening and hard to counter as they have a very superior range, this couple with the fact that Flanker have exceptional air detection and good ECM make it very hard to get close in my AIM range without getting shoot first (and those Alamo never missed!!)

True AMRAAM may be fire and forget which allow my fighter to turn back before being detected and shoot back by enemy fighters but Flanker also have exceptional air detection. It's absolutely impossible to sneak and launch AIM-120 without being shoot first with the Alamo.

For now the best I can came up with is using Rafale which have a medium stealth, making it easier to get closer to the Flanker and launch AIM, otherwise it is very difficult to archive Air Superiority without heavy reliance on SAM. And now that F- 14 and its Phoenix missiles are gone, Fighting Flanker is harder than ever for the NATO!

Any suggestions?


Um Suck it up princess????

Spend the dollars and deck slots, take 2 cards of super fighter (you are a mixed deck or euorcopr arent you!!!!) then you can take that su 2 v 4 Nato super fighters and you will most of the time waste em both without loss and own the air war.

Seriously, I dont get what you want? You want "suggestions" on how to beat the Reds best fighter plane one on one without loss? If you could do that the Reds would be pretty wouldnt they?

RD is really new and hasnt quite got the "leetness" in most players yet. If you want to be a real 'hardman' then you should be taking two cards of fighters to lock down the air war.

Alternatively you could take a spam card of F4s or Crusaders etc plus a super figheter

Or just not play the enemeis game and put up sams to wreck em

Or just put up F4s or Crusaders to take out the heli land grab at the start and damn the losses

Lots of tactics just pick one

But what you cant do is dominate the enemeies best fighter without loss!
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby FirmusPiett » Mon 21 Apr 2014 15:27

What normally works pretty well against high-end Soviet ASF is a Squadron of 2 ASFs, preferably with AA cover too, or if not at least avoid the enemy's aa umbrella. These 2 ASFs could both be high end or one could be low end and the other high end, like Tornado F1 and Eurofighter, with the F1 leading the way and taking the hits + dealing some damage out if it can, and the EF following up with its accurate, hard-hitting weapons.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby loosebruce » Mon 21 Apr 2014 15:52

WardenOfTheNorth wrote:There's probably more Vodka in those pilots than the jet itself. ;)


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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby another505 » Mon 21 Apr 2014 16:27

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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby Odinspear » Mon 21 Apr 2014 17:14

QuakeRiley wrote:
Odinspear wrote:
Rafales and Su-27PUs.jpg

Hmm, so you were calling Su-27PUs unstoppable? Have you ever compared Rafales and Su-27PUs? If you have eyes that everybody else had, this picture shall explain everything.


But the Su-27PU has that 2800m range on ground targets obviously making it OP and needing to be increased to 250 points. How dare you even say France is strong, the Rafale should obviously be cheaper with higher avail because it needs some added flavour.


haha mate I got what you meant lol, this is a French-made game so that's cool :3

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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby e22big » Mon 21 Apr 2014 17:23

Thanks!

I don't really like air spam tactic, control more than one fighter at the time is really difficult for me. And no, if you AMRAAM is superbly effective may be you haven't use it enough. In a head on fight I found not a single combat when AMRAAM equipped ASF beat a Flanker+Alamo combo.

And the reason I asked this is because in Airborne deck, the Blue force will almost have zero AAA and SAM assets, that's mean ASF is to only way to cover my air space. And if the best NATO fighter can't even beat an upper end Red ASF then what I am suppose to do? Isn't the blue suppose to have some edge in air unit?

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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby trotskygrad » Mon 21 Apr 2014 17:49

e22big wrote:And no, if you AMRAAM is superbly effective may be you haven't use it enough. In a head on fight I found not a single combat when AMRAAM equipped ASF beat a Flanker+Alamo combo.


over 100 games, about 50/50 split between redfor and blufor, and I think the AMRAAM is waaaaaaaaaaaay better than the R-27.

e22big wrote: And the reason I asked this is because in Airborne deck, the Blue force will almost have zero AAA and SAM assets, that's mean ASF is to only way to cover my air space. And if the best NATO fighter can't even beat an upper end Red ASF then what I am suppose to do? Isn't the blue suppose to have some edge in air unit?


use the absurdly OP stingers. In conjunction with F15C and F16C Block 52 it's great.

To be honest, there's a good reason why people fear Yak-141s and Su-27PU way more than the Su-27S. It's because they're armed with the soviet analogue of the AMRAAM.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby I WUB PUGS » Mon 21 Apr 2014 18:12

All planes fall to the hail of bullets from my F-8 spam. 8-)

Need to up your aggression level.
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Re: How to counter SU-27S

Postby Leyline » Mon 21 Apr 2014 18:13

The 2800 meter gun on the SU-27's actually is pretty good at murdering unsuspecting light vehicles and infantry. . .

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