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Postby Black_Viper_032 » Tue 14 Jun 2016 19:40

Guys i apollogize for the long thread.This is my first post on any forum :) And thaks to all who voted for Yugoslavia :)
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Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Tue 14 Jun 2016 19:46

Bougnas wrote:
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Bougnas wrote:A vote for Yugo is also a vote for glorious Romania!

Balkanic Federation fans, unite and discuss! 8-)


Like I said in MadMat's thread; I'd vote for the other Warsaw PACT nations if they all came at once, since alone they'd be very weak. However a Southern NSWP coalition would be amazing.

For now, Yugo gets my vote!


I'd prefer Romania and Yugo to stay alone.

Yugo is probably the third or the 2nd best REDFOR nation with China and USSR, while Romania is equal or even better than NSWP countries and gets a wide variety of unique units.
IMO mixing Romania and other NSWP countries would just spoil these and NSWP wouldn't add much to the romanian roster.

If needed Bulgaria and Hungary could come in a single faction that would be hopefully unique enough to be added.


I don't mean make them into one faction, 3 separate factions for the rest of the Warsaw PACT in one DLC is what I meant, then allow those 3 into a Southern NSWP coalition, made up of Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria.

Yugoslavia has enough equipment to easily stand alone in one DLC.
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Postby Bougnas » Tue 14 Jun 2016 19:47

Alright then. :)
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Postby varis » Sun 19 Jun 2016 18:06

Did anybody post stats for M-84?

And wouldn't the Croatian variants be out of time frame?
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Postby Bougnas » Sun 19 Jun 2016 18:44

varis wrote:Did anybody post stats for M-84?

And wouldn't the Croatian variants be out of time frame?

As ingame Yugo isn't even supposed to break up, Croatian units are out of the question.

However Yugo developped several tanks before the civil war: the M-84 and M-84A are already regular vehicles, and we can consider a unit that would probably had entered mass production by 1990, the M-84A with K1 ERA (acquired in 1988).

This M-84A K1 would basically be a more accurate but slightly less armored T-72B Obr 87 (without the missile).

Finally there's the Yugoslavian superheavy, the M-91 Vihor.

Note that the serial production variant would probably have been fitted with K1 ERA, so Eugen should consider that in the visual model and the armor profile.

What I expect is a sort of Twardy with maybe more accuracy, 70 kph speed, better armor, maybe even 10 rpm of ROF, and possibly a Svir missile.
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Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Sun 19 Jun 2016 19:15

M-84 would be like a more accurate and faster T-72. Probably only 55% accuracy, maybe 60 at a push.
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Postby nuke92 » Sun 19 Jun 2016 22:24

//Edited, everything seems right now, Roki approves! :mrgreen:
The M-84 was based on the T-72 M.
We should compare these two. The M-84 has better armour (T-72A level: 13), 8 RPM autoloader, better fcs (55%), not sure about the gun (Jaguar built in 83 has 16AP gun), 2100m range and 60 kph.

The M-84A would allready be at Wilk m-1 level with better fcs than base m-84 (still 55%), 8 rpm still vs wilks 9, from here on 2275m range, 65 kph speed due to 1000HP engine, all other stats stay the same.

M84A K1: Totally agree on Obr 87,... 17 armour (k1 stands for ERA?) vs Obrs 18, same 8rpm , accuracy still 55%, no missile, not sure about the gun...this variant would have been made after 1991, all other stats stay the same.

M-84A4: Croatian M-84A4 modification from 1996 with undoubtedly yugoslav origin. See M-84AK1 with 60% accuracy (better fcs) and better gun (made after 1991), croatian have no era but it's logical that a mayor upgrade would include both changes... if yugo survived

The m-84 was a t-72m with composite armour from the outside while on the inside there were over 600 improvements...
The Soviets bought hundres of yugoslav M-84A 1000HP motors.

M-90 or 91 Vihor: 65% accuracy, 10 rpm autoloader (stated by manufacturer), 22 or 23 AP gun, 21 armour up front, AT-8 missile planed though , 70 kph speed... or even higher, unmatached 27.27 hp/tonne ration (1200HP motor, 44t)
It was a completely new design...

All have 650km range.

P.S.
Things that should be included: m-91 strsljen rpg, m-93 anti material rifle, bga-30 auto grenade launcher, this stuff was built in the early 2000s and is used by Serbia... but there is no doubt in the yugoslav origin of the blueprints.
In fact the mass production of all prototypes should have started by 1992-1995.

I would really appreciate if Eugen Systems would take a look at this post :D
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Postby Razzmann » Sun 19 Jun 2016 22:34

I am not an expert or anything, but in this summary ( https://www.reddit.com/r/wargame/commen ... ocumented/ ) it says that the M-84A had an improved autoloader over the base M-84. Wouldn't that mean it would also get 9 rpm, similar to the Wilk?

Also, the M-90 or 91 with 10RPM really need to happen. Basically all "real" superheavies have 9rpm. 10rpm would be really flavourful!

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Postby nuke92 » Sun 19 Jun 2016 22:39

Im not sure about the improved M-84A autoloader, but the 10 rpm for vihor is a fact 8-)
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Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Sun 19 Jun 2016 23:07

nuke92 wrote:The M-84 was based on the T-72 M.
We should compare these two. The M-84 has better armour, 8 RPM autoloader, better fcs (55%), not sure about the gun (Jaguar built in 83 has 16AP gun) and 200HP stronger motor -> 65 or 70 kph

The M-84A would allready be at Wilk m-1 level with better fcs than base m-84 (60%), 8 rpm still vs wilks 9, 65 or 70 kph speed, all other stats stay the same.

M84A K1: Totally agree on Obr 87,... 17 armour vs Obrs 18, same 8rpm , accuracy still 60%, no missile, not sure about the gun...this variant would have been made after 1991, all other stats stay the same.

The m-84 was a t-72m with composite armour from the outside while on the inside there were over 600 improvements...
The Soviets bought hundres of yugoslav m-84 motors with 700HP.

M-90 or 91 Vihor: 65% accuracy, 10 rpm autoloader, 22 or 23 AP gun, 21 armour up front, had AT-8 missile though , 70 kph speed... 1200HP motor. It was a completely new design...

All have 650km range.

P.S.
Things that should be included: m-91 strsljen rpg, m-93 anti material rifle, bga-30 auto grenade launcher, this stuff was built in the early 2000s and is used by Serbia... but there is no doubt in the yugoslav origin of the blueprints.
In fact the mass production of all prototypes should have started by 1992-1995.

I would really appreciate if Eugen Systems would take a look at this post :D


The T-72's (base, A and M) accuracy is already overbuffed compared to other T-72 variants. The A and M's shouldn't be as accurate as the B variants but they are.

Putting the M-84A to 60% is pretty ridiculous as it'd be on par with a T-80U and I'm not sure how good it's FCS is compared to the T-80U.

Also I don't think the base M-84 had vastly improved armour did it? I thought it just had a 16 or 20mm plate added on?
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