Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby nuke92 » Wed 21 Sep 2016 16:51

Found a pdf of the manufacturer, it really has one :)
In case Orao gets the lighter 8x 250kg loadout, RAB-250 would be the way to go.
It is designated UPB M-91 (B stands for blizinski which means proximity)
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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby Sgt._Pepper » Wed 21 Sep 2016 17:06

HrcAk47 wrote:Otomatic has 3HE thanks to "proximity fuses" even though all other weapons in 57-82 mm class have 2HE.


AFAIK China makes 57 mm shells with proximity fuses, buff pls.
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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby nuke92 » Wed 21 Sep 2016 18:16

Mike wrote:
HrcAk47 wrote:Otomatic has 3HE thanks to "proximity fuses" even though all other weapons in 57-82 mm class have 2HE.

Yeah, proximity fuses generally give an HE boost. The amount depends on the caliber.


What's the amount for FAB-250? This shreds anything short of RHA steel and even then it's devastating to IFVs
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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby Mike » Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:13

nuke92 wrote:
Mike wrote:
HrcAk47 wrote:Otomatic has 3HE thanks to "proximity fuses" even though all other weapons in 57-82 mm class have 2HE.

Yeah, proximity fuses generally give an HE boost. The amount depends on the caliber.


What's the amount for FAB-250? This shreds anything short of RHA steel and even then it's devastating to IFVs


I believe it's different for bombs.
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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby Keinutnai » Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:20

I just want to say that I am so glad this is happening!

THANK YOU EUGEN!

These are the units I hope we will see:
Novi Avion
Non-radar NEVA aka "Sorry we didn't know it was invisible"
9K52 Luna-M (Frog-7) - (Redfor brother of Lance)
M-95 Degman
M-84
BVP M-80 (IFV with twin ATGM launchers) - can it fire 2 ATGM at once please?
M-87 Orkan
M-77 Oganj

Infantry:
15 Man Malyutka armed Squads - Mountain Troops - Yugoslavia was well known for their mountain fighting forces
Teritoriyalna Odbrana (Територијална одбрана) - Yugoslav home guard, part of Total People's Defence Doctrine. Give them 5 point trucks pls!
Wargame 4 - Balkan at War - New Countries: Italy, Spain, Greece & Turkey versus Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Hungary & Romania!

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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby Xeno426 » Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:21

nuke92 wrote:Found a pdf of the manufacturer, it really has one :)
In case Orao gets the lighter 8x 250kg loadout, RAB-250 would be the way to go.
It is designated UPB M-91 (B stands for blizinski which means proximity)

I don't think you want 250 kg bombs. Unless there's a load of them, they do jack-all.

Keinutnai wrote:Non-radar NEVA aka "Sorry we didn't know it was invisible"

And how will it track? The laser/infrared version didn't come out until the early 2000s.

Keinutnai wrote:9K52 Luna-M (Frog-7) - (Redfor brother of Lance)

And this is why weapons like the Lance shouldn't have ever been added.

Keinutnai wrote:BVP M-80 (IFV with twin ATGM launchers) - can it fire 2 ATGM at once please?

I find it hard to imagine they actually fired two at once; they'd have to both be against the same target, which would be rather wasteful. Seems more like it reduces reload time for the second shot.

Keinutnai wrote:Give them 5 point trucks pls!

It'll be only one card...
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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby HrcAk47 » Wed 21 Sep 2016 19:50

Xeno426 wrote:
nuke92 wrote:Found a pdf of the manufacturer, it really has one :)
In case Orao gets the lighter 8x 250kg loadout, RAB-250 would be the way to go.
It is designated UPB M-91 (B stands for blizinski which means proximity)

I don't think you want 250 kg bombs. Unless there's a load of them, they do jack-all.

Keinutnai wrote:Non-radar NEVA aka "Sorry we didn't know it was invisible"

And how will it track? The laser/infrared version didn't come out until the early 2000s.


Small correction, the particular update was done on Nevas in 1987, and even offered for export. It was called Neva M1T. Besides, even ordinary Neva M1As have electro-optical tracking, and we had them since 1981.

We started reworking Kub-Ms in early 2000s.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby nuke92 » Wed 21 Sep 2016 20:08

Here's the text I've found a while ago:
Половином осамдесетих година прошлог века је урађено идејно решење даље модернизације која би се извршила уградњом термовизијског система и ласерског даљиномера. 1987. године је у ВЗ „Космос“ на једној СтВР (станица за вођење ракета) уместо телевизијског система уграђен термовизијски систем. Испитивања су показала да је термо камера која је коришћена веома корисна и да обезбеђује праћење циља до даљине од 40 км, што је сасвим довољно, с обзиром да је максимални коси домет система 25 км. То је касније и понуђено Либији и Египту. Иначе коришћене су камере фирми Маркони и Филипс.


jeez...
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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby Mike » Wed 21 Sep 2016 20:12

nuke92 wrote:Here's the text I've found a while ago:


Good find! Empty space is a premium in NYC!
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Re: Yugoslavia in Red Dragon

Postby HrcAk47 » Wed 21 Sep 2016 20:30

nuke92 wrote:Here's the text I've found a while ago
Половином осамдесетих година прошлог века је урађено идејно решење даље модернизације која би се извршила уградњом термовизијског система и ласерског даљиномера. 1987. године је у ВЗ „Космос“ на једној СтВР (станица за вођење ракета) уместо телевизијског система уграђен термовизијски систем. Испитивања су показала да је термо камера која је коришћена веома корисна и да обезбеђује праћење циља до даљине од 40 км, што је сасвим довољно, с обзиром да је максимални коси домет система 25 км. То је касније и понуђено Либији и Египту. Иначе коришћене су камере фирми Маркони и Филипс.


jeez...


Here's a translation
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During the mid 80s of the last century, a new direction in modernising was started, by installing thermovision and laser rangefinder. In 1987, VZ Kosmos (note: main maintenance, upgrade and RD facility regarding matters of AA rocketry in Yugoslavia) replaced the electrooptical guidance system with thermal guidance system. Testings showed that the thermal camera in question is very useful, and allows target tracking in excess of 40 km, which is considered more than enough, given that the maximum slanted range of the system is 25 km. The solution was later offered to Libya and Egypt. The cameras used were made by Marconi and Phillips.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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