Epic Expansion Pack/New game... "Wargame: Deep Battle"

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Epic Expansion Pack/New game... "Wargame: Deep Battle"

Postby jmpveg22 » Mon 5 May 2014 20:05

I hope for a future expansion into the Mediterranean and central Europe... call it: "Wargame Deep Battle" (as we already have ALB). Make the Campaigns playable by BOTH sides (by having two sets of scripted events for each side). I'd pay $50 for such an expansion... let alone if it was its own game. Addition of campaign editor/creator.

-A new " Nonaligned Faction " whose countries can fight on any side it chooses (but also weakest and extremely specialized).
-A focus on less dynamic campaigns (one per era), however all are playable by both sides. Easy way of achieving is simply having a different set of scripts for each side. The main one will be massive encompassing around 125 (100 Land/marine maps, 25 naval zones) maps across Europe and the Mediterranean. Area is from Dunkirk to Constantinople in east-west range and Sicily to Oslo in north-south range.
-UI improvements
*"Move together" command to ensure vehicles travel at same speed
*"Evac North" and "Evac south" options for aircraft
*"Posture and Rules of Engagement" settings for units... decide when units will fire.
-Weather and condition systems that have an effect on Optics and Movement.
-New traits and Attributes. Among them:
*"ACC vs Plane"... Long Range SAMS excel here
*"ACC vs Helo"... MANPADS have higher marks than Long Range SAMs
*"Fatigue"... for Infantry movement and tanks without Autoloaders
*Single engine planes have 8 HP while multi-engine planes have 10 hp
*More diverse road speeds
*Plane Altitude... effects accuracy of ordinance and susceptibility to SAM and SPAAGS. Higher Altitudes are Safer, but limit what weapons you can use and their accuracy. Higher altitudes also make radar detection easier and from farther away. Also at higher Altitudes Air to Air Missiles get an Accuracy boost.
-Destructible environment
*Bridges can be damaged/ destroyed
*Terrain often traversed becomes bogged and more difficult to travel on
*Forests and Buildings can be destroyed
-Larger Maps, 40km x 40km to 50km-50km would be ideal
-Deck building Goal should be to create your own Regiment (as in Multi-player 4 Regiment per a team pretty much equals 1 division) of troops/units/aircraft when making a deck... maybe shifting deck system to a "Regiment pts" system.
*Under such a system Infantry squads cost the least Regiment pts (depending on their accompanying IFV, Helo, or APC), Tanks cost more Regiment pts to equip (depending to how advanced they are), Most Support systems and Gunship helos cost double the amount of Tanks, and Logistical Units Cost a Huge ungodly amount of pts.
*The idea is you gain more availability to platforms... but at a cost of making your Regiment more susceptible to counters. Meaning 2 guys with specialized regiments that work together in concert are also far more powerful than 2 guys with "jack of all trade" regiments. Encourages teamwork.
EG : if you equipped your regiment with 16 T-80U, 32 BMP-3s with infantry, and accompanying Recon Units... you probably used a hell of a lot of pts and are a sitting duck when it comes to countering aircraft/Helos, or providing artillery support. Inversely if you have a Regiment made up of a lot of SAM's, Radar Units, and artillery... you lack the ability to really reach out and engage in normal ground ops (and are a sitting duck to a tank or infantry assault).
in depth explanation: viewtopic.php?p=794043#p794043
-New Nations ( Greece, Italy, Turkey, Belgium-Netherlands, Portugal, Spain , Austria-Switzerland, Albania, Yugoslavia , Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary)
-New Coalitions
*WARSAW PACT SOUTH (Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary)

*EUROCORP (France, West Germany, Belgium-Netherlands)
*IBERIACOM (Spain, Portugal)
*MEDCOM (Italy, Greece, Turkey) would be a tenuous and uneasy relationship
*SCANDINAVIA (Sweeden, Denmark, Norway)

Non Aligned (Austria-Switzerland, Finland, Albania, Yugoslavia) (these nations are independent and can opt to fight for whatever side they chose to
-Solid eras... An era must be selected to build a deck and for online play. See below for more details on why.
-A firm Era setting and selection... in which prices and availability of units change (EG: T-80BVs rare and expensive in 1985, but in the 1991 era not as rare and cheaper). Also lower cost obsolete units in later eras come with experience penalty to prevent spam (as you would not put your best men in old units). System Designed to prevent Spam and maintain realism.
Spoiler : :
To maintain by the T-80BV example from earlier:
Era -------------------------- Availability----------------Cost
1980-1985=> 2 Trained/1 Veteran => 150pts (was either an expensive prototype or fresh off the production line in this stage)
1986-1990=> 4 Trained/2 Veteran => 140pts
1991-1995=> 8 Trained/4 Veteran => 140 pts (was more prevalent and becoming the mainstay of ground forces by now)

Likewise some countries will not have certain units in earlier or later Eras

Also the experience penalty example using the std T-80:
Era -------------------------- Tiers experience available
1980-1985=> Choice between 12 hardened, 8 Veteran, and 4 Elite
1986-1990=> Choice between 12 trained, 8 hardened, and 4 Veteran
1991-1995=> Choice between 12 Rookie, 8 trained, and 4 hardened

This system comes in handy particularly well with aircraft... as now you can have a simple 4-2-1 breakdown for nearly all aircraft that simply its experience position depending on era.
So basically a a flight of F-15As in 1982 (4 Trained, 2 Veteran, 1 Elite) is the ultimate Air Superiority Fighter, but in 1991 (when it is at 4 Rookie, 2 Regular, and 1 Trained) it is clearly overshadowed by its cousin the F-15C as well as many others.

Finally the meaning of "prototype" should also come with an added availability penalty (only two options of availability compared to the standard 3)... but an experience boost. So essentially the Eurofighter, Rafael, and others in the deep 1990s time frame come with 1 card of 2 Trained and 1 Elite (as you would never put a rookie in your best piece of equipment).

This is the ultimate way to kill Spam, especially for Aircraft (where you limit it to one card across all areas). If you Spam cheap but inexperienced aircraft...expect a graveyard in the sky at the hands of someone who has 1-2 high experienced prototypes. It also rewards players that choose earlier era themed decks by giving them high experienced platforms that are cheaper in price than there later era equivalents (no matter what an F-15C will always cost more than a F-15A).

Spoiler : :
Thinking of Changing the Eras to five 5 year periods:
Pre 1974: For all those old school dudes and Vietnam reenactments
1975-1979: Primary Focus of game era
1980-1984: Primary Focus of game era
1985-1989: Primary Focus of game era
1990-1994: For all those that are for the more modern swing of things... Protos galore here

-In each Era accessibility of units and numerical availability still changes (Example: T-80s in the early eras are rare and expensive, but become a mainstay in later eras... inversely T-62s are plentiful and mainstays in Early Eras but are gradually phased out in later eras).
-Also keep in mind that still under this new system you would be forced to select an era when creating a deck.

-The balance of Power switches depending upon Era... personally i think only the 1985-1989 era should have both sides totally on par with one another. Something like:
Pre 1975 BLUE>RED, 1975-1979 BLUE=RED, 1980-1984 BLUE<RED, 1985-1988 BLUE=RED,

Also the addition of a way of grouping Units:
*Coalition Unit: Units can only be used in Coalition or Nationally Based decks within certain eras.
*National Unit: Units can only be used by a certain Country (EG: T-64s, T-80s, M1A1s, etc)
*Prototype Unit: totally exclusive to nation, and highly limited in number during the Era or time frame in question. These are units that are and were only actual prototypes OR units that were prototypes in the given Era. (EG: a SU-27 is a prototype in the 1975-1981 era... but looses the "prototype" status in the following eras)

-A choice to customize and create your own Dynamic campaign settings, battle-groups, etc... Then be able to share the campaign with others. With the massive amount of maps available. The players could create endless possibilities for new and exciting campaigns. Eugen could even make contests to make the best user created ones into official ones.
-Coalition Based Navies... with at least 5 ships and 3 aircraft per Coalition. Some would naturally have more (USSR, USA).
-Introduction of Non-nuclear Land based anti-ship missiles, and non-nuclear missile Artillery like FROG-7s, OTR-21 Tochka, MGM-52 Lance, and French Pluton to compliment that already present MGM-140 ATACMS. These Missiles are extremely powerful… but also very expensive (minimum cost of 200pts), eat through supply at an incredible rate, and have an insanely slow rate of fire.
-Expansion of Logistics to include Radar systems, Recovery units, and Armored Bridges. Radar systems should be the eyes for radar missiles launchers... BUKs HAWKs and KUBs, and NEWAs... need these radar units to be 100% effective. Armored Bridges and Recovery units should have a purpose too. Armored Bridges can bridge the gaps rivers, or provide bridges to crossings where bridges have been destroyed. Recovery Vehicles clear a path though wrecks, immediately can fix mobility kills, and provide much quicker repairs than normal supply.


Primary Campaign of Game:

Idea for 1985-1989 era campaign storyline (imagine it being said by the awesome narrator)…

May 4 1980: Tito, long time ruler of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and primary figure of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) dies leaving no immediate successor. Yugoslavs and much of the world mourns the death of the great leader.

June 1980 to 1987: A collective revolving leadership emerges to fill the void, however in fighting and disagreements are common within the new collective presidency. This period is noted by ineffectiveness of governance and leadership, as it seems that no one person is able to effectively fill in the former leaders shoes. In this time unrest in Yugoslavia grows.

Late 1987: As the result of years of leadership and economic stagnation, a rise of nationalism and separatism takes root in Yugoslavia. Differing heads of nationalist movements arise.

February 1988: Gorbachev announces the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, Sensing weakness and decay in the Soviet threat the Reagan administration begins to look for opportunities to further weaken and cripple the Eastern Bloc.

March 1988: The USA begins financially and politically supporting many nationalist movements in Yugoslavia, primarily ones that have taken an anti-communist tone. This move alarms Gorbachev, who was in actuality planning on revoking the Brezhnev Doctrine in the weeks to come. These events forced him to reconsider his position as he now sees Western meddling within Socialist Nations.

April 1st 1988: In a press conference, Ronald Reagan makes a promise his last efforts as President will be to end Communist Rule in many places across the globe. The next day riots and mass protests erupt across Yugoslavia demanding an end to communist rule, and the independence of many republics in Yugoslavia.

April 4th 1988: The Kremlin seeing no coincidence to the events concludes that American intervention and influence is the primary driver of this outbreak of nationalism in a formally Non-Aligned Communist country. The events convince many in the Eastern Bloc that their own vulnerability to this new American involvement is high and action to contain this new American policy should be taken.

April 8th 1988: The Protests become violent as anti-communist protestors are gunned down by government forces. No one knows who fired first but the death toll stands at 9 police officers and 22 protestors. The White House makes a public statement assuring that Freedom Desiring people across the globe will receive American Support. The Kremlin fails to make a public statement on the incident.

April 15th 1988: Emboldened by the White House's statements and muted Soviet response... Anti-Communist Nationalist Protestors begin storming and taking over police stations, airfields, ports, and government buildings. The proclamation of the "Confederacy of Independent States of Yugoslavia (CISY)" is made by various leaders. They make a public plea for American Support to help them end what they see as an illegitimate and murdering communist government.

The Kremlin sees obvious American Influence and warns that no further interference should be made by the American in what was formally a Non-Aligned Nation. NSWP nations push the USSR for intervention to send a message to their own populations, as well as to the Americans about the cost of meddling in other countries political affairs.

April 17th 1988: Ronald Reagan recognizes the CISYs legitimacy and vows to send American aid to assist them in forming a new non-communist Government. This message is met with harsh Soviet and Eastern Bloc criticism and warnings that any further interference into the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia domestic affairs by the USA or western powers will be countered. The Warsaw Pact mobilizes places its forces on full alert and mobilizes its vast armies as a signal of unity and strength.

April 18th-April 20th 1988: The embattled Yugoslavian Communist government sees the Warsaw Pact reactions, and requests admission into the Warsaw Pact. American Intelligence services intercept the request and relay the message to the White House. To pre-empt Warsaw Pact Action the White House decides to move quickly, Deploying Airborne and Marine Divisions to the Airfields and Ports held by the CISY in an effort to discourage Soviet intervention. NATO begins Full mobilization in preparation for a possible Warsaw Pact response, many of its leaders however are dismayed by the brazen and unilateral actions the Americans are taken.

April 21st 1988: The Warsaw Pact formally accepts the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia request to enter the Warsaw Pact. The Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact make one Final warning to the USA... "Get out of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia within 48 hours, or suffer the dire consequences".

April 23rd 1988: The Americans do not budge... Gorbachev sees no other choice but to give the go ahead for operation "Lenin's Hammer" (in honor of Lenin's recent Birthday) which is a described as a "campaign to safeguard socialism from external threats". Within 24 hours Bulgarian, Hungarian, And Romanian Tank Divisions roll into Yugoslavia to secure vital Airfields. Soviet Airborne Units are deployed to secure the capital Belgrade.

The Americans come under fire from Warsaw Pact forces forcing a state of war. At the same time Warsaw Pact Forces in Central Europe are in full mobilization. WWIII may possibly begin over Yugoslavia...

REDFOR objectives:
1)Expel all American Units from the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia by day 10.
-If #1 is successful: push into Greece and secure Athens by Day 25 to eliminate American Influence in Region. NATO decides to respond with an offensive in Germany though, so you must hold onto Berlin (Both East and West) at all costs as well.
-If #1 is not successful: open up second Front in Central Europe and Reunite Germany by day 25 by capturing Bonn. You must also still expel all NATO troops out of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

BLUEFOR objectives:
1) Capture Belgrade by day 10
-If #1 Successful: Push into Romania and Albania as anti-communist protests have erupted and require the same Assistance. Capture Tirana and Bucharest by day 25. Also must maintain control of All NATO capitals.
-If #1 unsuccessful: Expel the Warsaw Pact from West Germany. In an effort to open a second front and divide your forces the Warsaw Pact decides to unify Germany. Show them you mean Business by Recapturing West Berlin by Day 25.


Prior to Day 10 Forces are made up of:
-CISY Yugoslavian Forces
-UK (Thatcher and Reagan partnership)


-Yugoslav Government Forces

After Day 10 forces are made up of:

-West Germany


-East Germany
-Albania (sees campaign to north and decides to join Warsaw Pact for protection)

2 Neutrals factions that player have influence on:
-Acts as a Shortcut on Dynamic Map Austria-Switzerland. Any incursion onto their territory results in Neutral nation siding with opposition.
-Finland can be bought to serve your side by spending a large amount of political points on day 20 (costs less for Warsaw Pact though).

Campaign for 1980-1984 Era:
Spoiler : :
I was also working on another campaign revolving around Spain... but initially it was a little hard for me to make it feasible and realistic. It was difficult to blow the conflict up to the same scale as the Yugoslavian one. In fact it was impossible if i wanted to maintain a sense of realism. So instead its a limited campaign relegated only to Spain and Portugal. Just for fun, i will share what i came up with:

Idea for another campaign (1980-1985 era)... Revolving around Spain and Portugal (Again imagine the awesome narrator).

November 20th 1975: The longtime rightwing dictator of Spain Francisco Franco dies. His state funeral is attended by notable and reviled guests such as Augusto Pinochet. Many in left leaning elements in Spain celebrate the momentous occasion and begin to plan for a post Franco-Spain

July 4th 1976: King of Spain Juan Carlos appoints long time Franco supporter Adolfo Suarez to the position of prime minister. Suarez from the outset makes it abundantly clear that he wishes for Spain to become a democracy in time. Among his first official actions was to approve the outline for a pathway forward known as “Ley para la Reforma Política” or the “Law of Polticial Reform”.
However Basque Separatists, Catalonian leftists, the remnants of the left leaning Spanish Republic, and the Spanish Republican government in exile in Mexico remain skeptical.

June 15th 1977: Suarez narrowly wins the first Spanish elections in 41 years. Many question the legitimacy of these elections. In Barcelona protests against voting irregularities break out.

September 11th 1977: Massive demonstrations hit the Streets of the former Second Republic stronghold of Barcelona, demanding Catalonian autonomy and reparations from the crimes suffered under the Franco’s Regime.
The Soviet Leadership sees this as an opportunity to expand its influence and possibly in the long term rid the American Military presence in the country that houses such a strong strategic importance. Oddly the Kremlin recognizes the recently disestablished Second Republic government in exile as the legitimate successor to Franco (it's attributed to Brezhnev's now increasingly failing cognitive health).

1978: Sensing opportunity, the Basque Separatists known as the ETA launch a large scale offensive citing: “opposition to Sham democracy”. The following months are the ETA’s most deadly.
At the Same time Growing left leaning independence movements in Catalonia become more vocal and politically active.
Sensing an increase in opportunity the Soviets begin covertly pouring resources into these two movements.

March 1st 1979: Suarez wins another election. Now most among the left in the country are convinced the polls are not valid and begin to openly criticize and question the legitimacy of the current government.

After the Suarez re-election... the PSOE ousts and expels former leader F. Gonzalez for having "anti-left tendencies and weakening the left causing repeated defeats" .

March 2nd 1979- May 10th 1980: Now organized from Soviet covert assistance the ETA moves to increase the intensity of the campaign against the Madrid Government. The within a year over 100 police and military personal are killed in multiple bombings across the Basque country. This organized and increased violence forces the Spanish government to take action against the ETA.
The ensuing crackdown kills 290, injures 315, and arrests an additional 800 people within two months of its commencement. Among the dead are 77 civilians caught in various crossfires. The Catalonian independence movement is horrified by what it calls a “disproportionate response and continuation of Francoism policies”. They make appeals to the international community for assistance and efforts to stop the bloodbath occurring on the other side of the country.

May 11th 1980: Only the USSR makes statement regarding the crackdown in Spain. The Kremlin “comes out in support of any socialist and communist movements within the country that could bring an end to the continuing abuses of fascist authority over the people of Spain”. They then propose: “the establishment of a Third Spanish Republic, free of monarchs and sham elections designed to distract and disillusion the opponents of Fascism in Spain”.
The White House offers no public statements in relation to the situation in Spain, as its attention is focused on Iran and its Re-election campaign.

May 30th 1980: A movement called “Recordar los Setenta y siete” (Spanish for “Remember the Seventy Seven”) arises simultaneously in the Basque country and Catalonia. 25,000 march in Barcelona and 10, 000 march in Bilbao calling for an “end to Francoism”. Initial intelligence reports to the Suarez Government and the CIA are of some of the organizers speaking in Russian amongst themselves.

June to October 1980: In the months following, the “Recordar los Setenta y siete” (RSS) movement swells to an estimated 800,000 people. By now weekly protests and strikes can be seen in, Barcelona, Bilbao, and Girona.

Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan uses this and the situation in Iran as two examples of weakness found under Jimmy carter. He vows that once elected he will do everything in his power to support the democratically elected Spanish government and safeguard it from Soviet and Leftist influence.

November 4th 1980. Ronald Reagan wins in a landslide victory. In the meantime the “RSS” movement swells to over 1million members.
In a speech in late November Ronald Reagan was quoted saying “Soviet and leftist Influence in the Mediterranean is now officially on borrowed time”. Sensing this is directed towards them the RSS movement stages massive protests demanding elections in Spain. The Suarez government refuses to budge.

December 12th 1980:
RSS protests are seen on the streets of Madrid, The Suarez government now fed up with what it deems as “blatant Soviet meddling and provocation within Spanish borders” orders the arrests of the Protestors in Madrid. Over 300 are detained.
The next Day Ronald Reagan commends the Suarez government for taking action, and urges the last actions of outgoing president Jimmy Carter should be to do everything he can to assist the Suarez government.
Jimmy Carter announces that “no American intervention of any kind will occur to influence a sovergn countries domestic affairs”. A statement that garners him praise on the international stage, and even prompts the Iranian regime to release its American held hostages within a week, but isolates the Suarez Government while at the same time Emboldening the RSS movement.

December 24th 1980: The RSS movement now over 1.5 million members and fed up with the Suarez government decides that time is running out. To pre-empt and counter the likely crackdown by the Suarez government that would likely occur once Ronald Reagan assumes office they decide to act. The leader of RSS announces that within a week the Republic of Catalonia will form as a sovergn and independent nation. Similar sentiments are echoed within the Basque country.
Suarez who is on Christmas holiday cannot act in time to make a statement countering the announcement. Within 3 days all aspects of Catalonia are defacto a new nation severing any ties with Madrid.
The new Republic of Catalonia makes an appeal to the United Nations to help protect it from any aggression from Madrid or Washington.

January 5th 1981: As the UNSC shoots down a Soviet proposed international recognition of the Republic of Catalonia, the Soviet Union publically backs the new nation and even offering it protection.
Suarez attempts to contain the damage by cracking down on the Basque independence movement. Hundreds are killed and close to 1000 activists are detained. Among them are some with Soviet Passports.

January 8th 1981: The USSR Severs all ties with the Spanish government and vows to protect leftist and socialist governments from oppressive element. The 5th Operational Squadron is deployed and makes full steam for the coast of Catalonia.
At the same time Ronald Reagan states that any effort to land Soviet elements within Spain will be dealt with once he officially assumes office on the 20th of January.
The Suarez Government mobilizes its military assets to the borders of the Republic of Catalonia. In a public statement it vows that it will eliminate illegal Soviet influence within Spanish borders.

January 10th-14th 1981: The republic of Catalonia formally requests Soviet aid and protection in the wake recent events. Soviet Marine units begin to land in Barcelona and deploy to secure the fledgling nation’s borders. In a public statement the Kremlin announces that all assets of the Soviet military will be used to defend the Republic of Catalonia from aggression.

January 15th1981: Spanish government troops enter the Republic of Catalonia only to be decimated by the RSS militias and the Soviet Marines. In response to the aggression the USSR announces that it will mitigate the Spanish threat to the Republic of Catalonia. Soviet Airborne units land in Bilbao and secure a foothold in the region, while Soviet marine elements and RSS militias advance towards Madrid.
Jimmy carter calls for a diplomatic resolution to the crisis, while Ronald Reagan eagerly awaits for his time to rectify the situation.

REDFOR Objectives:
1) Capture Madrid before January 20th (5 days) and Surround/isolate all American bases and elements in the region (Seville and Rota).
-If #1 is successful, the Spanish government is disbanded and the rest of Spain must be captured by day 15. However to minimize and prevent American involvement no further Soviet Reinforcements can be called in.
-if #1 is unsuccessful, The Americans and English decide to support and fight alongside the Spanish Government. Hold onto all Republic of Catalonia territory as well Bilbao until the end of day 15 when a peace settlement can be negotiated.

BLUEFOR Objectives:
1) Do not let Madrid fall to the Soviets or RSS militias until Reagan can come to power (5 days).
-If #1 Successful, Americans and British come to your aid so recapture Bilbao and all of Catalonia by day 15. Try to avoid any Soviet formations. If you destroy one Soviet Formation, the USSR can utilize any of its re-enforcements. However if all Soviet formations are left operational… no further USSR reinforcements can be called in.
-If #1 Unsuccessful, American and British entry into the conflict delayed by 2days. Your objective is to Recapture Madrid by day 15 as well as Bilboa. Be warned though… the Soviets have been pouring in powerful re-enforcements and likely surrounded/isolated your strong points (Gibraltar, Rota, and Seville). By capturing these two objectives you will place your side in an advantageous position for a peace settlement as we buy time to convince Turkey to block the entrance to the Black Sea.

Forces Available Prior to day 5:
-Spanish Military
-Portuguese Military

-CSS Militias (Spanish units)
-USSR (only Marine and Airborne formations)

After Day 5:
-Spanish Military
-Portuguese Military

-CSS Militias

Campaigns for 1990-1994 Era:
Spoiler : :
Stand Alone 1990's campaign

1990’s Campaign: “Honecker’s Wrath”…Alternate German Reunification Idea (again the awesome voice)

1989: As communist governments all throughout Europe collapse, and reform movements escalate it seems that the Cold War is finally ending. East Germany under strongman Erich Honecker is among the countries affected by this changing dynamic.
As Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, all begin to open up borders and loosen their grip… the East German regime stands firm. By September hundreds of protests and demonstrations occur within the country.

October 3rd 1989: As a response to the fall of communism and the prospect of population loss, East Germany closed its borders to its eastern neighbors and prevented visa-free travel to Czechoslovakia. A day later these measures were also extended to travel to Bulgaria and Romania. East Germany was now not only behind the Iron Curtain to the West, but also cordoned off to most other Eastern bloc states.

October 6-7th 1989: the national celebrations of the 40th anniversary of the East German state took place with Gorbachev in attendance. During the event, several hundred members of the Free German Youth began chanting, "Gorby, help us! Gorby, save us”. Honecker is not amused.
During a meeting Honecker is informed by Gorbachev that the time for reform is at hand, and that this reality must be faced. The USSR will no longer come to East Germany’s salvation politically or fiscally if some effort of reform is not made. Honecker is offended, and concludes the meeting saying “we will solve our own problems then”.

October 9th 1989: Emboldened by the earlier arrival of Gorbachev, massive protest occurs. Honecker’s response is to mobilize the police and military to contain and quell the demonstration that threatens to ruin the 40th anniversary of the GDR.
As a response many in the GDR’s politburo like Egon Krenz speak out and move to replace Honecker. Honecker senses the betrayal and swiftly has Krenz and many other arrested. Gorbachev protests from Moscow.

November 9th 1989: Protest movements occur in the vicinity of the Berlin Wall. As attacks on the integrity of the structure commence, the military is deployed. A massacre ensues killing 33 people as the crowds disperse.
Later that night Erich Honecker declares marshal law across all of Berlin, and places the GDR’s border guards on elevated alert. As people within the next few days attempt to flee the GDR, Honecker then declares Marshal Law across all of the GDR. The international community protests.

December 1989: A nationwide crackdown against protests and demonstrations commences. Within a week over 300 are killed, and over 1800 arrested. In the west the FRG and NATO see this as a humanitarian crisis that must be stopped before civil war occurs.
Moscow is muted in its response, as Gorbachev uses the events to discredit the hardliners within his own country that are impeding his reforms.

January-June 1990: Over 25,000 people in the GDR have been arrested and an estimated 1200 killed in the prolonged crackdown on the populace in the GDR. The Free German Youth make appeals to Moscow, Washington, and Bonn to do something.

Gorbachev states that he: “does not condone the actions of the Honecker Regime, and feels that some level of diplomatic and political efforts should be made to rectify the situation”. Honecker places the blame of on the USSR for their betrayal and failure to uphold communism.

July 10th 1990: After the open dispute between the two leaders of the GDR and USSR, NATO leaders sense weakness in the countries resolve and backing. They declare the situation in the GDR as a “Humanitarian crisis that must be resolved”.

Assuming the USSR would not respond in assisting and that public support for the Honecker regime is low… they begin to secretly plan an “intervention” with the goal of unifying Germany and averting further humanitarian crisis.

July 12th-14th 1990: A buildup of NATO troops in the FRG is detected by the USSR. Gorbachev sees a military resolution of the crisis as unacceptable. Putting his differences aside, he warns the Honecker regime of the buildup and publically states “that under no circumstances is further bloodshed justified in resolving differences”.
The GDR military goes on High alert and fully mobilizes. However due to the prolonged, many units have low morale and are tied up in policing the populace. A formal request is made to the USSR for defensive assistance in the event of NATO aggression. No response is given.

August 1990: The prolonged standoff reaches a climax on August 20th, when a massive demonstration in Dresden is liquidated. Over 500 people are killed and 4000 are arrested within a span of 3 hours. Immediately afterwards a call for “open rebellion is made”. This event forces the leadership in the FRG to demand action be taken.

August 23rd 1990: The decision is made by NATO to intervene and remove Honecker from power and unify the GDR into the FRG. NATO Military units flood into the GDR with mixed reactions. Some see the troops as Liberators, while others see the intervention as a step too far. War erupts in Europe as NATO gambles on the GDR’s isolation… will Moscow intervene?

1) Hold Berlin, Dresden, and Rostock at all costs by the end of day 3 (to ensure Soviet intervention).
-If successful Expel NATO forces from the GDR by day 12. (You will have a gradual stream of Soviet Battle groups arriving)
-If unsuccessful Hold onto Berlin at all costs by the end of day 12. (No Soviet Help)

1) Capture Berlin by day 3 to ensure USSR non-involvement and convince GDR military to swap sides
-If successful capture all of the GDR by day 10. (Soviets are not coming into the GDR and you have use of some GDR defector battle groups)
-If unsuccessful Capture and hold Berlin by day 12. (Soviets are intervening in an attempt to expel you from the GDR.

Forces Available:

After Day 3 (Objective must be successful):
After day 6 (Rostock, and West Berlin must be held):
-Remaining WARSAW PACT

After day 3 (Objective must be successful):
-GDR Military Defectors
After day 6 (Dresden and West Berlin must be held):
-Remaining NATO

=>Aftermath of Earlier 1988 Campaign and alternate history 1994 Turkey campaign:

Campaign for 1975-1979 Era:

Campaign for Pre 1975 Era:

"1984" Campaigns:
Romanian: viewtopic.php?f=155&t=44931&start=290#p836654
currently researching for another Blue vs Blue Campaign

Spoiler : :
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Proposed Break down of how many combat zones in each nation For 1988 Campaign (100 Land/Marine maps, 25 Naval Maps):
10 Yugoslavia
9 Italy
8 Greece
5 Eastern France
5 Romania
5 Western Poland
5 Hungary
5 Albania
5 Bulgaria
5 Western Turkey
5 Southern Scandinavia
5 Austria-Switzerland
3 Lowlands
3 Denmark
1 West Berlin

Proposed Break down of how many combat zones in each nation For 1981 Spanish Campaign (25 Land/Marine maps, 15 Naval Maps):
7 Portugal
17 Spain
1 Gibraltar

Proposed Break down of how many combat zones in each nation For 1990 German Campaign (30 Land/Marine maps, 10 Naval Maps):
12 FRG
1 West Berlin
3 West CSSR
6 West Poland

Proposed Break down of how many combat zones in each nation For 1994 Turkey Campaign (25 Land/Marine maps, 15 Naval maps):
Turkey 25

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A little insight to the Origins of the title: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deep_battle
-Soviet Deep Battle was essentially the military doctrine of the USSR and Warsaw Pact. In a scale during the 1980s Europe... Initial Soviet attacks and advances would actually attempt to avoid western units. Their primary objectives would be airfields, ports, rail and highway intersections/junctures, and urban areas that acted as crossroads/fortifications in key areas. The idea was to essentially eliminate or severely hinder any possibility for successful REFORGER operations, then use the second and third waves to deal with the actual units that the 1st wave avoided. If this was successful... huge efforts towards fortifying gains would be made for the inevitable counter attack. In the game a player in the campaign should be encouraged to explore the possible applications of this doctrine.

Tell me what ya think...
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Re: Epic Expansion Pack... "Wargame Deep Battle"

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Re: Epic Expansion Pack... "Wargame Deep Battle"

Postby REDDQ » Mon 5 May 2014 20:17

I think it is lovely and well thought idea for an expansion pack.

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Re: Epic Expansion Pack... "Wargame Deep Battle"

Postby Sonicbunny » Mon 5 May 2014 20:20

SovietComrade wrote:wat

That's pretty disrespectful. This guy's gone to a lot of time and effort to write a long, well-constructed post. Give the same consideration with a constructive answer or don't bother.

jmpveg22 wrote:I hope for a future expansion into the Mediterranean and central Europe... call it: "Wargame Deep Battle" (as we already have ALB). Make the Campaign playable by BOTH sides (by having two sets of scripted events for each side). I'd pay $50 for such an expansion... let alone if it was its own game.


Tell me what ya think...

I'm a fan of this. I don't know how a huge, unified campaign would work out in practice - balance might be an issue, as well as various campaign AI considerations - but it's honestly what I'd hoped to see when RD was announced. It would give you some proper strategic options, although perhaps some more varied victory conditions would add replayability.

Speaking of strategy, I do agree that SRBMs should be introduced, but as a strategic asset not an on-map one. The scale of Wargame is already compressed enough to allow for things like ATACMS and long range SAMs (and don't even get me started on the naval side of things.)

Your campaign setting is well-written and, in my personal view as an international relations graduate, sufficiently feasible.

I'm not optimistic that we'll see something like this for RD, but if Eugen continue to offer dynamic campaigns in their next games then I hope this is the kind of thing we'll see in the future.
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Re: Epic Expansion Pack... "Wargame Deep Battle"

Postby fiese_moep » Mon 5 May 2014 20:22

i dont like the neutal factions idea

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Re: Epic Expansion Pack... "Wargame Deep Battle"

Postby orgo » Mon 5 May 2014 20:23

Very good idea OP, well written, organized. Thank you for the post.

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Postby Stelz » Mon 5 May 2014 20:30

Not bad, interesting, well organized and detailed.

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Re: Epic Expansion Pack... "Wargame Deep Battle"

Postby jmpveg22 » Mon 5 May 2014 20:39

Thanks guys/gals... as an international relations specialist i tried to make the campaign as feasible and neutral as possible. The Cold war was not one of "Good vs Evil" as I feel is commonly portrayed, but rather a competition of competing ideas. So I feel the campaign should be one of an escalated misunderstanding.

Also i feel if Eugen were to focus on one campaign it could pull this off. As a way to supplement this it should include a camping editor where campaigns can be created and shared over a Steam Workshop. That way Eugen could hold a competition to turn user created campaigns into actual official campaigns saving them time and resources. Plus with a massive map of 80 different zones across Europe like i suggested (50 land, and 30 Sea)... there is no shortage of possibilities.

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Re: Epic Expansion Pack... "Wargame Deep Battle"

Postby Sunshine » Mon 5 May 2014 20:43

fiese_moep wrote:i dont like the neutal factions idea
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Re: Epic Expansion Pack... "Wargame Deep Battle"

Postby Saavedra » Mon 5 May 2014 20:47

You want a Mediterranean pack and you add Belgium and the Netherlands, but not Spain and Israel?

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