REDFOR advantages

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REDFOR advantages

Postby marecek05 » Fri 16 May 2014 14:01

I am tired of all the threads on why the REDFOR is UP.
Lets make a list of all unfair redfor advantages for a change. I will start you all of:

1. Burratino is good at setting towns on fire so the defender has to relocated his infantry in the town
2. BMPT is good at killing infantry at ranges from 2450 to 875m if the infantry does have high ap LAW or even in short range if does not have one. And light vehicles.
3. Spetznas/Li Jian are very good at killing unsupported infantry in close ranges.
4. SU 27M is without the doubt the best airplane in its class, i.e. multirole.
5. SU 27PU has most MRAAMS of any airplane.
6. Chinese HJ-8a has 2950m of range that is unprecedented for land vehicle.
7. Akulas Vikhr has 2950m of range that is unprecedented.

Those are all unfair advantages i was able to come up with. I am sure we can come with more that are able to counter all those arguments in redfor is UP threads. Or can we?
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Re: REDFOR advantages

Postby Basil_pup » Fri 16 May 2014 14:09

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Re: REDFOR advantages

Postby iwancoppa » Fri 16 May 2014 14:09

I think you're wrong.

1. Let's get an across the board artillery disadvantage for one supply hogging, point-blank range napalm MLRS.
2. AVRE
3.Fallschirmjager 90, SBS, SAS, Delta, Ghurkas, the list goes on
4. Rafale. Additionally, SU27M is bad anyway
5. Rafale.
6. 2950m range ATGM jeep, god the horror
7. I wonder what 3km+ IR missile is for


Lets make a list of all unfair redfor advantages for a change.

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Re: REDFOR advantages

Postby daywalkerzyx » Fri 16 May 2014 14:10

It's what it comes down to in like, every thread. Pact has flame mlrs/ li jian/spets SO ITS FINE!!!!!

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Re: REDFOR advantages

Postby Seraphlord » Fri 16 May 2014 14:10

I'm honestly wondering if your list is a joke or not or if you're really that clueless.

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Re: REDFOR advantages

Postby marecek05 » Fri 16 May 2014 14:11

Seraphlord wrote:I'm honestly wondering if your list is a joke or not or if you're really that clueless.


Guess ;-).
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Re: REDFOR advantages

Postby iwancoppa » Fri 16 May 2014 14:13

marecek05 wrote:
Seraphlord wrote:I'm honestly wondering if your list is a joke or not or if you're really that clueless.


Guess ;-).



Clueless.
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Re: REDFOR advantages

Postby S4BoT » Fri 16 May 2014 14:17

Su 100 and ATS 103 have no equal on the nato side. the only thing that comes a bit close is the M36, but that thing lacks penetration. Nothing on the nato side comes even close to the cost efficiency of that pair

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Re: REDFOR advantages

Postby Nikrib » Fri 16 May 2014 14:18

iwancoppa wrote:
marecek05 wrote:
Seraphlord wrote:I'm honestly wondering if your list is a joke or not or if you're really that clueless.


Guess ;-).



Clueless.

Disagreed. I've also been not sure at first, but when he called Su-27M best multirole (just think about it: one plane for 200 pts is the best!), it's become obvious that he's trolling, 'cause no sane man would say that.

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Re: REDFOR advantages

Postby Zone » Fri 16 May 2014 14:20

T-72BU and T-80UM for themselves are ok, but combined they are OP, because you face 5 x 23 AP which will cripple any NATO tank at once, leaving you, again, like in W:ALB with not really beeing capable to face a full developed mid/Late game PACT armored formation with any NATO coalition there is.

Also, Pact armored formations in all kinds are still superior to any NATO armored formation there is.

So, for the list:

(I agree with all your points)
- 5 Super Heavy Tanks
- Massive Spam of armored ATGM carriers (all Pact tanks)
- Chinese Recon Tanks with high AP
- a hell lot of 2,800 km range ATGMs of all kinds
- OP BTR-XX Autocannons... (really annoying)
- Ka-52 now with really good SEAD
- MST-A most underrated piece of artillery there is
- Elite MALKA is so much fun to use, it feels almost like a legal cheat :P
- 5 man sniper teams
- 10 man ATGM teams with 26 (!) AP (Gornos)
- Kommandosi Roflstompers
- its also OP that you can always play pact if you like :P
- better second hit capability in conquest (NATO grabs land first, but Pact is superior in grabbing it back)
- SMERCH > ATACMS

And yes, I think Pact is fine.

The problem with pact is a more simple one IMO:
It lacks diversity.
I see a lot of people playing china and NK, but only China is really at least a bit different from USSR. Same for NSWP, while NATO has really great individuality among the different nations.
More diversity for NSWP could solve this in the next DLC but due to the very design of Warsaw Pact itself I doubt there are many options...

PS: Su-27M in the right hands is a godlike weapon of massive roflstomp :P
Killing two NATO Super heavies in one run is more of a rule than the exception, if used right (and yes, in conquest games vs skilled enemies too).
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