Shrike wrote: Mike wrote:
Countess Bathory wrote:Are you suggesting that 15pt ultimate meatshield Centurions weren't used in ALB?
Oh I saw them plenty in tournaments Centurions taking blows for the Leopards and Abrams.
I still yet to see this Centurions, M113 RR and T-34/85, SU-100 meta that people speak of. All I have seen in pub games is just spec ops helo rushes, atacm spam, and 1000kg bombs.
I see much less 1000kg bombs Eugen did a very good job fixing that.
Centurions can kill t80's I've done it many times (and I play nato less frequently and bring those tanks even less)
Su-122 is garbage ap, was even worse in EE. HE is great, the KVPT is helpful I like to use them if I need more infantry support. (because that's what a 'standard' match requires is revolving around infantry and it's support.
M113 RR can be useful. But by no means I never see it used, unless by my own hands.. T34's I see enough of now, They are T34s still
Centurions currently have way too much armour, a bad gun doesn't mean much if you have the softer units being protected.
Those units all fall into early game meta, before Arty, before more sustainable planes, Before heavy armour, Before your AA network, And typically before you have recon securing your flanks. Before the sleeves roll up and it gets into the tactics, the micro, the maneuvers, and grad strategy. Your centurions and opening planes/recon rely a lot on luck.
So IMO there is no Centurion 'meta' lol
just like there was no f111c reliance although it may of seemed like it in beta ranked
. Only hoping your opponent doesn't start with a unit composition (and initial positions) That make the centurions more of a burden. Late game they are pretty useless,
(t34s have a few advantages in some areas
) So I really see no issue with those tanks, however they just as available as t34 pretty much. The cards 'total cost' should be considered when balancing tanks availability.
Especially for late game when you can take the more expensive centurions. Better choice for lasting longer.
But anything over 20 minutes is a millennium in some match set ups
I like short matches now and again, but setting them up to end fast, or expecting to end it fast usually ends in a lamer match. Even if cheese prevails, karma will balance. Or a balanced Season