Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

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Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

Postby loosebruce » Tue 11 Nov 2014 14:29

Increasingly in games I am seeing AA Helo Spam meta for air assaults and even I am guilty of doing some myself.

Since ALB; Semi Active radar missiles have only been for Plane vs. Plane engagements.

However helicopters still do present a considerable radar signature during transit above canopy level (tree line).

Therefore as a way to fix the AA Heli Spam, if we enable SemAct AAMs against helos at say 75% range of planes then it will allow players to engage Heli spam but still circle their planes away before they fly right in the middle of a swarm of X (Celtic, Mi24V, Ka52, OH 52CS) helicopters.

This means players can rapidly counter with Airplanes without having to sacrifice their planes to stop the spam.

Hopefully it will be a new dynamic to air assaults.... unless of course there is Mig31 / Tomcat spam escorting the helis.

Another alternative is buff the engagement distance of IR missiles on planes to the same as when they engage enemy jets.
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Postby keebs63 » Tue 11 Nov 2014 14:36

Just need to buff the ranges, despite what you say, you cannot fire any AMRAAM at a helicopter unless you fly straight it, which is pretty much useless because it takes 20 seconds just to turn around in this game...
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Re: Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

Postby urogard » Tue 11 Nov 2014 14:39

Neat, killing longbows from 5km range evading AA

What they should instead do is increase SRAAM ranges by 33-50% considering planes now have different altitudes which has already been mentioned

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Re: Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

Postby Sharkey Ward » Tue 11 Nov 2014 16:42

Starting 1985 with the F-15C modern radars do NCTR by counting the blades on the air intake of the enemy jet using the radar, you really think it won't be able to detect a helicopter? You people seriously have no idea just how ridiculously powerful modern radars are.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/scs/people/academi ... niques.pdf
http://www.cis.jhu.edu/~sanchez/ENST_memoria_Thales.pdf

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Re: Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

Postby keebs63 » Tue 11 Nov 2014 16:44

Sharkey Ward wrote:Starting 1985 with the F-15C modern radars do NCTR by counting the blades on the air intake of the enemy jet using the radar, you really think it won't be able to detect a helicopter? You people seriously have no idea just how ridiculously powerful modern radars are.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/scs/people/academi ... niques.pdf
http://www.cis.jhu.edu/~sanchez/ENST_memoria_Thales.pdf

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Re: Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

Postby Killertomato » Tue 11 Nov 2014 16:47

We've been through this already and all it did was remove helicopters from the game. I'd rather have spam than complete uselessness.
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Re: Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

Postby Mister Maf » Tue 11 Nov 2014 18:17

Helicopters already get eaten alive by the improved SPAAGS. Helicopters are as weak as ever and doing this would do nothing but permanently killify EVERY helicopter, not just the AA ones.
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Re: Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

Postby KattiValk » Tue 11 Nov 2014 18:23

Why not buff helicopters so they can also maneuver at low altitude?

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Re: Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

Postby Hawker Siddeley » Tue 11 Nov 2014 18:55

Or just make fighter jets (not ASFs) have better range vs helos.

Mister Maf wrote:Helicopters already get eaten alive by the improved SPAAGS.


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Re: Enable SemAct AAM --> Counter AA Helo Spam Meta

Postby Regnar » Tue 11 Nov 2014 19:20

Or just get rid of AA helicopters. It's pretty lame that every match starts with BLU spamming Celtics and RED spamming Mi-24Vs.

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